I have a problem with the status of FTF's. When somone puts in their post, "Your getting closer, I can't believe you can't see it, your standing on top of it!" or something to that effect. I don't see how the person can have the ****s to claim FTF???? If I went to a cache that the OWNER was at and looked for it, while they watched and coached my moves, I wouldn't claim FTF, at least not on the site, maby to myself and friends. I have been out with friends and helped them with their positioning, they placed their cache and gave me the cords. and I went and looked for it without their help. Then we compaired notes and set the cords. acordingly. I didn't claim FTF for the cache. I feel thats akin to the security guard at a store letting you steal something because your friends. My opinion. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

What was the cache? :) :)

I have a problem with the status of FTF's. When somone puts in their post, "Your getting closer, I can't believe you can't see it, your standing on top of it!" or something to that effect. I don't see how the person can have the ****s to claim FTF???? If I went to a cache that the OWNER was at and looked for it, while they watched and coached my moves, I wouldn't claim FTF, at least not on the site, maby to myself and friends. I have been out with friends and helped them with their positioning, they placed their cache and gave me the cords. and I went and looked for it without their help. Then we compaired notes and set the cords. acordingly. I didn't claim FTF for the cache. I feel thats akin to the security guard at a store letting you steal something because your friends. My opinion. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

I've coached a few people before, I personally don't have a problem with it, because 1) the cache was in an extremely obvious place and if it couldn't be found they shouldnt be allowed to drive (and so far the cache has not had a single DNF, I placed it to be found) 2) why not? its just a game, and the teasing that ensues during the hunt that I am overseeing is downright hilarious, I think it's fun watching other people search for caches (while i may or may not be saying helpful things, sometimes i say stupid things to throw them off) 3) aren't we doing this for fun to begin with? and don't different people enjoy different things in different ways? it's like the argument of which cache is better... different people will like different things 4) is someone keeping score of the FTFs? is it all about the numbers?

But what I would have a problem with would be if someone placed a cache and sent an email... hey muffin (im just using you for example) I placed a cache, I call you when it gets published and you can meet me down by the hannafords and we'll go there so you can find it and be the FTF.... yes, I've seen situations where I believe this has happened before... that ruins the game. that's like playing battleship side by side...

I placed a cache, I call you when it gets published and you can meet me down by the hannafords and we'll go there so you can find it and be the FTF.... that ruins the game. that's like playing battleship side by side...



Thats what I am talking about. I can't say that this 'exactly' happened but reading the post, thats what it looks like.

What was the cache? :) :) yeah, what was the cache?

I really can't say, I can't remember which one it was. Too much beer??

yeah, what was the cache?

Sheesh! I know I need to replace the laptop, and I'm waiting until Windows Vista is released so I can get a new laptop with that, but I didn't realize I was starting to get and echo on this one! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I checked, and it doesn't look mike Muffin logged what ever cache he is talking about...) :confused: :confused:

Sheesh! I know I need to replace the laptop, and I'm waiting until Windows Vista is released so I can get a new laptop with that, but I didn't realize I was starting to get and echo on this one! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I checked, and it doesn't look mike Muffin logged what ever cache he is talking about...) :confused: :confused:

hmmm, haha maybe he's talking about my pen cache! i ran into haffy lookin for it on my way to work one day, so i stood there and laughed at him while he was looking right at it :D:D:D

I really can't say, I can't remember which one it was. Too much beer??

That's OK, Muffin. Many of us have trouble with FTF hounds! LOL! :p :p

(Though it's been MANY years since I've had any trouble with beer...)

Well, when it get right down to it, What is a FTF and what does it count for? It is equal to any other find and doesnt count any extra. There fore it doesnt really matter if someone had 100 FTF's or no FTF. There is no extra Credits. I personally dont care if someone get a FTF or not unless they start gettng counted as 2 finds.

I have a problem with the status of FTF's. When somone puts in their post, "Your getting closer, I can't believe you can't see it, your standing on top of it!" or something to that effect. I don't see how the person can have the ****s to claim FTF???? If I went to a cache that the OWNER was at and looked for it, while they watched and coached my moves, I wouldn't claim FTF, at least not on the site, maby to myself and friends. I have been out with friends and helped them with their positioning, they placed their cache and gave me the cords. and I went and looked for it without their help. Then we compaired notes and set the cords. acordingly. I didn't claim FTF for the cache. I feel thats akin to the security guard at a store letting you steal something because your friends. My opinion. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

Control what you can control. You can't control what cachers put into your cache or what they remove. You can't control whether they cover your cache or leave it uncovered. You can't control HOW they find a cache. Although finding a FTF you don't expect or have worked hard to find can be exhilirating, the memory of that moment will be more about getting the cache than the FTF. We are all frustrated with one or many of these issues but we continue to cache because WE ENJOY IT! :) I guess this just isn't a big issue with me. :)

Control what you can control. You can't control what cachers put into your cache or what they remove. You can't control whether they cover your cache or leave it uncovered. You can't control HOW they find a cache. Although finding a FTF you don't expect or have worked hard to find can be exhilirating, the memory of that moment will be more about getting the cache that the FTF. We are all frustrated with one or many of these issues but we continue to cache because WE ENJOY IT! [:)] I guess this just isn't a big issue with me. :)


I'll pipe in and agree with all and repeat myself again that although we can't control all those things, we can try and set an example. Speak of it here and/or log that you did what you thought was the right thing to do and maybe another cacher or two will be enlightened. Most of all, have fun!

When I'm geo-caching I tap into "the force" that I learned as a young Padawan under the apprentice of a Jedi to help me find the cache . . . does this count as cheating?:D ;)

When I'm geo-caching I tap into "the force" that I learned as a young Padawan under the apprentice of a Jedi to help me find the cache . . . does this count as cheating?:D ;)

apparently, you don't need this "force" when you are placing caches, and you certainly don't leave any of this "energy" behind. i could have used some of it yesterday out in back of the old school!

apparently, you don't need this "force" when you are placing caches, and you certainly don't leave any of this "energy" behind. i could have used some of it yesterday out in back of the old school!

Would you rather that I have a stack of geosticks . . . or use a clue like "Don't get stumped?" :D ;) Incidentally, this statement will not help you find the school cache . . . my offer to give you a tip still stands.

Would you rather that I have a stack of geosticks . . . or use a clue like "Don't get stumped?" :D ;) Incidentally, this statement will not help you find the school cache . . . my offer to give you a tip still stands.


Actual Jake, we go to the coordinates you post, turn 180 degrees and walk 21.5 paces, stop, then turn to our left and go another 3.33333 paces and that is general where you have hidden your caches. This seems to be the standard error of your Magellen. LOL:D :D :D :D (Sorry, couldn't resist the jib)

Actual Jake, we go to the coordinates you post, turn 180 degrees and walk 21.5 paces, stop, then turn to our left and go another 3.33333 paces and that is general where you have hidden your caches. This seems to be the standard error of your Magellen. LOL:D :D :D :D (Sorry, couldn't resist the jib)

well, then, my magellan should have led me right to the cache! :(

:D So very true on the Multi in a Mile . . . and a Half (at least until I corrected it.)


Actual Jake, we go to the coordinates you post, turn 180 degrees and walk 21.5 paces, stop, then turn to our left and go another 3.33333 paces and that is general where you have hidden your caches. This seems to be the standard error of your Magellen. LOL:D :D :D :D (Sorry, couldn't resist the jib)

well, then, my magellan should have led me right to the cache! :(


No, no your GPSr is working correctly,,, I've managed to locate your caches easily with the great coords. Its just Jakes. :D :D :D LOL

No, no your GPSr is working correctly,,, I've managed to locate your caches easily with the great coords. Its just Jakes. :D :D :D LOL

geez! it must be the "color" component because other than that, his magellan is just like mine. :)

geez! it must be the "color" component because other than that, his magellan is just like mine. :)

Well I am dazzled by pretty colors.:D

well, then, my magellan should have led me right to the cache! :(

that's not a very good theory... two wrongs don't make a right... :D :D :D

that's not a very good theory... two wrongs don't make a right... :D :D :D

...but two rights DO make a U-turn:p

...but two rights DO make a U-turn:p
again there is a whole in your bucket... if you make 2 u-turns... you're right back where you started! :p

...but two rights DO make a U-turn:p

I've always made U-Turns with two lefts. Two rights usually puts me in the puckerbrush! And trust me, I've tried several times!