This is just a reminder to all you geocachers out there that the deer hunting season is upon us starting this Saturday for residents and then Monday through the end of the whole month of November for all the rest. Just be aware that it is a wise idea to be wearing your orange if you are caching out in the woods. Cachers do get a break on Sundays as there is no hunting allowed. Also if you have animals with you it is also a good idea to dress them in the hunter orange as well. You get that Brad? :D

Thanks for this post. I adopted a cache on private land and the landowner was most concerned about sport activites on the land. Hunting was one but also bear baiting which has a different season. Thanks for the reminder - lots of nice breakfasts to start out if we want to cache on Saturday.

Thanks for the reminder!

Thanks for warning everyone, Haffy! Sheesh! When I'm hunting, I'll shoot at anything that moves! (Leaves, pine trees, the apple coreI left at the last stump...) ;) ;)

I come from a town where everyone hunts. It always amazes me because I've never held a gun before and do not come from a hunting family. One of my students said about hunting the other day.... "If it's brown, it goes down!'

Oh I must inject - who taught that child hunter safety? I was brought up as my Dad's little boy but we were always safety conscious.

Married to law enforcement - loaded firearms have been a way of life with me forever. My children (now grown) learned to shoot about the time they were strong enough to hold a weapon. They knew the rules too - brown goes down was not part of the lesson.

Was caching today and didn't have on orange but florescent yellow - did hear shooting in the nearby woods. I knew I was visiable.

Everyone stay safe out there!

Hollora, I was just as horrified by the statement as you are. I know the kid has taken hunter safety and is pretty level headed. I did give him a bit of a lecture, though.

Hollora, I was just as horrified by the statement as you are. I know the kid has taken hunter safety and is pretty level headed. I did give him a bit of a lecture, though.


Sounds to me that that child may have learned something from their parents and maybe that needs to be addressed. If I would have said something as stupid as that growing up in my house hold I would have been beaten severly. Its a shame that some will never be responsible hunters. THose will be the ones that hurt someone.:mad:

Now where does this kid hunt. I bought the ex wife a nice brown jacket and white hat many years ago that she still wears, I could take her for a walk.:D

If I would have said something as stupid as that growing up in my house hold I would have been beaten severly. Its a shame that some will never be responsible hunters.

Now where does this kid hunt. I bought the ex wife a nice brown jacket and white hat many years ago that she still wears, I could take her for a walk.:D

Beaten severely as a child.......sounds like that may need to be addressed.:( As far as your last statement Dave, thats just not a real smart thing to be saying. :confused: :eek: :confused:

Get light here - regardless of what Dave wrote I think his intent was to highlight - the comment as originally quoted and written about shooting was not acceptable. In Dave's household, growing up, the comment would have not been acceptable and there would have been an outcome. It is not one's business what that might have been or how it was perceived..........

That is not today's world and I know it but it is the world he and I knew grew up knowing. It seemed to be ok, we seemed to have survived, and we seem to be somewhat normal. Unacceptable social traits, actions and statements were deal with my discipline. That discipline varied depending upon the parents and the severity of the action.

My children have taken great guff from peers and a bio-parent because of what I and their step-father upheld as values and disciplinary action. That is not all bad. Indeed, it takes many to walk this Earth and make it what it is.

Tolerance is important and a learned trait. Tolerance also has acceptable values. Abuse is definable.................discipline is not necessarily abuse.

Please consider Dave has put into words a perceived action based upon his up bringing - do not immediately consider his parents were wrong, he has said the wrong thing or what he said was not smart.

He was just voicing his opinion. His right and I admire his willingness to speak out. I too was outraged by the comment of this geocachers student!

Just my opinion and thank you for this forum to share it.

Beaten severely as a child.......sounds like that may need to be addressed.:( As far as your last statement Dave, thats just not a real smart thing to be saying. :confused: :eek: :confused:

Dont read to far into this. I was mearly saying that was not a tolerated comment in my house hold. And as far as my ex wife it was a joke, relax;)

Growing up in a hunting family I can remember hearing that term at the end of hunting seasons usually around Thanksgiving.All it meant was that the season was coming to a close,and if you wanted to get your deer you could no longer afford to be fussy.If its brown its down meant you were going to take the first legal deer you saw.

As with a lot of terms that kids hear growing up this young hunter may not have known what is meant by the term.Or it may have been taken out of content by someone who didn't know.

The world is sure a different place today.I remember hunting my way to school,and having to leave my rifle in the office till after school.

I hear that term, "If its brown its down!" several times every hunting season. Its kind of a catchy saying, sort of like, " fishy, fishy in the brook, come and bite my baited hook." I think the latter saying is more of a traditional statement during the Maine hunting season than a reflection on someones hunting ethics. I recently came back from North Dakota and the favorite saying amoungst the bird hunters was that, "If it flies it dies!" This was not an ethical statement as I saw several hunters pass up shots on Boeing 747 and Cessnas.
I think that when someone says any of the above statements, I think its more a statement of their dedication to the sport than an actual belief that if they saw a UPS truck go by that they would shoot it. Some hunters will only shoot "trophies" --although I think any deer legally acquired should be considered a trophy-- and other hunters will take the first legal deer they can, thus, "If it's brown, it's down."

Think Safe, Be Safe.

Cache On!!

I too have heard the "If it's brown it's down" saying for about the past 35 years of my hunting life. We used that saying at the hunting camps every year, meaning that the first legal deer that can be taken will be. Of course now with the Bucks only law, its narrowed down the choices a bit unless you have a Doe permit. Gail and I hunted from Dark to dark today in the rain and cold. We saw 6 deer, and came home with none. We could have shot 3 of them illegaly, as they were there just before legal shooting time, but mysteriously vanished at 6:38. The other 3 were on the side of the road, within site of 2 residences, but were over 100 yards from either . We could have legally taken 1 of them, as Gail has a doe permit this year, but we did'nt feel it was right to fire a high powered rifle within sight of anyones house, legal or not. This was very hard for Gail, because she has hunted hard the past 3 years with me and has yet to get a deer. There goes the "If it's brown its down" theory. We love the outdoors, and spending time together hunting, Geocaching, Fishing , and camping. I'm sure she will get her chance sometime, and she still is unsure if she will actually shoot one when the chance arrives,,to which I say,,thats OK. As far as the child discipline thing,,,,My mother never was afraid to dig out the spatula and whack my butt all the way across the room when I deserved it, and you never heard me pull a temper tantrum in public or say "NO" to my parents. I don't think this was abuse, it taught me respect for my parents and elders, which seems to have gone by the wayside today. We don't condone child abuse, but show me a kid that has had the fear of God put into him by a "Time Out". Sheesh!! Take a look at some of these Kids you see today, looks to me like they get to do whatever they want so their little feelings won't get hurt. They can dress anyway they like, stay out late, pierce themselves all over the place, say anything they want to anyone they want,cause they have rights!! The only right I had growing up was the right to be a kid. My adult rights came when I became an adult, not before, and priveliges were earned, not handed out. And I still did'nt turn out perfect. What chance do kids have today if parents can't or won't spend the time to steer their kids in the right direction. There,,,,I've vented,,,,Phew,,, Anyway,,,Happy caching to everyone, and try not to take Dave"s statement verbatum,,I too have an EX-Wife and sometimes I make jokes about her also, but I never would really want to harm a hair on her stubborn little, know it all, heartless, cruel, empty head!! Actually,,she could'nt be all that bad,,I married her in the first place. LOL:D

Well said! I think a lot of us are of the same era and on the same page - just may say it a tad differently. Good luck in the hunt this year - glad there is a doe permit in the family! And for exs - I think a lot of us have them. LOL

I hear that term, "If its brown its down!" several times every hunting season. Its kind of a catchy saying, sort of like, " fishy, fishy in the brook, come and bite my baited hook." I think the latter saying is more of a traditional statement during the Maine hunting season than a reflection on someones hunting ethics. I recently came back from North Dakota and the favorite saying amoungst the bird hunters was that, "If it flies it dies!" This was not an ethical statement as I saw several hunters pass up shots on Boeing 747 and Cessnas.
I think that when someone says any of the above statements, I think its more a statement of their dedication to the sport than an actual belief that if they saw a UPS truck go by that they would shoot it. Some hunters will only shoot "trophies" --although I think any deer legally acquired should be considered a trophy-- and other hunters will take the first legal deer they can, thus, "If it's brown, it's down."

Think Safe, Be Safe.

Cache On!!

On the flip side I imagine having a mounted UPS truck or Boeing 747 on the living room wall next to the 12-point buck head, black bear and bobcat would be quite the conversational piece . . . they might even elicit a few more remarks than the bullmoose head mounted in the foyer!:D

On the serious side . . . well said . . . I think your sentiments hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Also, welcome back . . . now come on over to Unity there's been a few caches put out since you've been gone.

I too have heard the "If it's brown it's down" saying for about the past 35 years of my hunting life. We used that saying at the hunting camps every year, meaning that the first legal deer that can be taken will be. Of course now with the Bucks only law, its narrowed down the choices a bit unless you have a Doe permit. Gail and I hunted from Dark to dark today in the rain and cold. We saw 6 deer, and came home with none. We could have shot 3 of them illegaly, as they were there just before legal shooting time, but mysteriously vanished at 6:38. The other 3 were on the side of the road, within site of 2 residences, but were over 100 yards from either . We could have legally taken 1 of them, as Gail has a doe permit this year, but we did'nt feel it was right to fire a high powered rifle within sight of anyones house, legal or not. This was very hard for Gail, because she has hunted hard the past 3 years with me and has yet to get a deer. There goes the "If it's brown its down" theory. We love the outdoors, and spending time together hunting, Geocaching, Fishing , and camping. I'm sure she will get her chance sometime, and she still is unsure if she will actually shoot one when the chance arrives,,to which I say,,thats OK. As far as the child discipline thing,,,,My mother never was afraid to dig out the spatula and whack my butt all the way across the room when I deserved it, and you never heard me pull a temper tantrum in public or say "NO" to my parents. I don't think this was abuse, it taught me respect for my parents and elders, which seems to have gone by the wayside today. We don't condone child abuse, but show me a kid that has had the fear of God put into him by a "Time Out". Sheesh!! Take a look at some of these Kids you see today, looks to me like they get to do whatever they want so their little feelings won't get hurt. They can dress anyway they like, stay out late, pierce themselves all over the place, say anything they want to anyone they want,cause they have rights!! The only right I had growing up was the right to be a kid. My adult rights came when I became an adult, not before, and priveliges were earned, not handed out. And I still did'nt turn out perfect. What chance do kids have today if parents can't or won't spend the time to steer their kids in the right direction. There,,,,I've vented,,,,Phew,,, Anyway,,,Happy caching to everyone, and try not to take Dave"s statement verbatum,,I too have an EX-Wife and sometimes I make jokes about her also, but I never would really want to harm a hair on her stubborn little, know it all, heartless, cruel, empty head!! Actually,,she could'nt be all that bad,,I married her in the first place. LOL:D

Ah the good ol' days back when parents could truly discipline their child when appropriate. I remember well being smacked on the rump by Mom on more than a few occasions as a child and when I was really bad getting the belt from Dad (fortunately those occasions were far and few between.)

I'd like to think I wasn't traumatized and that the discipline worked . . . and yes, I would still call it discipline and not abuse since the punishment was only meted only when called for . . . and well after the verbal warnings, time-outs (we just called it "sitting in a corner" back then or "having to go to our room") and reward-deprivation (that's my just now-coined phrase for having to go to bed early instead of staying up to watch the Wonderful World of Disney, getting carrot sticks for a school snack instead of a rice crispie square or having a new toy temporarily taken away.)