View Full Version : When would you remove one of your caches?



Team Trout
06-24-2004, 07:47 PM
Forget about all of the obvious reasons. What I'm curious about is, assuming there is nothing wrong with the cache or the location or your ability to maintain it and no one has asked you to remove it, when do you feel it is okay for an owner to just remove and archive one of their caches?

My opinion is practically never. This hasn't been an issue around this area yet, not that I've seen. But I've seen it elsewhere that it is not uncommon for a cache owner to remove and archive a cache just because they're bored with it or they feel it's run it course or lived out its usefulness.

In my opinion once the cache is posted, approved, and active for all the world to see it, it stops being just yours. It becomes something more. In a way it becomes the property of and a part of the geocaching community as a whole. It is out there for all to see and it may hold special expectations for another geocacher who has yet to find it. It may also hold special memories for those geocachers who have done it and hope to share it someday with others who haven't .

So what do you think, is it acceptable for an owner to just up and remove a cache?

-Team Trout

brdad
06-24-2004, 07:55 PM
If a cache is in good condition and finders are enjoying a cache, I really hate to see a cache go. But at the same time, the owner is supposed to be maintaining it, and if he's bored with it he probably would not do that.

So, weighing the options, I'd say if an owner wants to archive a cache he sould do so, so that someone that is not bored with it can hide one there.

Many of the people who archive them have many hides, and archiving is easier than maintaining, which is sad.

I intend to keep my hides unless there is a real valid reason.

Team Trout
06-24-2004, 08:09 PM
I can see what you're saying about a bored owner not maintaining a cache and that makes a lot of sense. But why not offer it up for adoption so someone who is interested in it can take it over rather than just pulling the plug on it?

I guess part of what I'm trying to say is that hiding a cache is a long term commitment. It goes beyong just maintaining the cache until it now longer interests you. It is a commitment to the geocaching community that the cache will be there, ready to be discovered and enjoyed until such time as the community no longer wants it there.

I don't know, maybe I'm being a too unrealistic here.

Geochicks
06-24-2004, 08:16 PM
I just yanked one of my caches tonight because I am a little worried about the aftermath of THETEAM after I deleted 2 of his logs.

So, I pulled it because there was nothing decent in it. So I would like to restock it.

brdad
06-24-2004, 08:20 PM
I don't know, maybe I'm being a too unrealistic here.

Nope, you make perfect sense. Adopting is great when it can happen. The main issue adopting caches now is that usually the adopter wants to hide it in a different location, and gc.com does not let you do that without some paperwork (Unless it's real close to the original). And once you move it to a new spot, it's pretty much a new cache and previous finders can not log a find on the new location if it's the same cache. (Well, technically they can't)

Worst case, someone hides a new one in the exact same spot and uses the same name as the previous one. All that's lost are the logs, which could be linked to in the cache description.

Haffy
06-24-2004, 08:23 PM
Hey Jen,what do you mean by deleting 2 of his logs?
:confused:

Geomaineiacs
06-24-2004, 08:26 PM
THETEAM has a pattern of revisiting site and logging multiple finds, among other much worse actions. I would suggest that others not delete any posts by them until the powers that be deal with the problem. We may want to preserve evidence.

brdad
06-24-2004, 08:32 PM
Fortunately, all logs you make to a cache are saved - they are never deleted when you "delete" them - they just don't show. TPTB can access them at any time.



THETEAM has a pattern of revisiting site and logging multiple finds, among other much worse actions. I would suggest that others not delete any posts by them until the powers that be deal with the problem. We may want to preserve evidence.

Team Trout
06-24-2004, 09:34 PM
So, I pulled it because there was nothing decent in it. So I would like to restock it.

Yeah, but you are planning to put it back, right? That's not what I was referring to. That's a simple downtime to do maintenance and I think that's not only acceptable, it is expected.

I'm talking about when someone just up and permenently archives and removes their cache without any warning or reason given other than something like, "Cache removed and archived" or "I think this one has run its course" or "This one no longer interests me" or whatever.

Geomaineiacs
06-25-2004, 08:09 AM
Fortunately, all logs you make to a cache are saved - they are never deleted when you "delete" them - they just don't show. TPTB can access them at any time.


I didn't know that. Those nasty logs are history!

Geochicks
06-26-2004, 10:13 PM
Yeah, but you are planning to put it back, right? That's not what I was referring to. That's a simple downtime to do maintenance and I think that's not only acceptable, it is expected.

I'm talking about when someone just up and permenently archives and removes their cache without any warning or reason given other than something like, "Cache removed and archived" or "I think this one has run its course" or "This one no longer interests me" or whatever.


Honestly, I don't know if I plan to put it back in the same area. Too much local traffic for my taste. THere always was. I removed it since THETEAM went there, but had always thought about getting it out of there.

Geochicks
06-26-2004, 10:17 PM
Hey Jen,what do you mean by deleting 2 of his logs?
:confused:

I deleted 2 of THETEAMs logs for the following reasons. He logged GILBERT STREET SCHOOL cache twice.. which is a NO-NO.

And he logged Bicentennial Park One as a find when he couldn't have. The date he posted.. the cache was in my car. He said he traded items, but those items aren't in the cache and they didn't sign the log book.

To me those things are wrong.. so I deleted his "finds".

Team Trout
06-27-2004, 07:05 AM
Honestly, I don't know if I plan to put it back in the same area. Too much local traffic for my taste. THere always was. I removed it since THETEAM went there, but had always thought about getting it out of there.

After reading all the stuff about THETEAM in your thread on the gc.com forum I can see why you wouldn't want to put it back. That to do me is an absolutely valid reason to archive a cache. :)

Mainiac1957
06-28-2004, 02:30 PM
I just yanked one of my caches tonight because I am a little worried about the aftermath of THETEAM after I deleted 2 of his logs.


I was just on GC.com and clicked on the Profile of "The Team", and found that they have been banned by admin on the site. I guess someone listened to the complaints.

Geomaineiacs
06-28-2004, 03:16 PM
I was just on GC.com and clicked on the Profile of "The Team", and found that they have been banned by admin on the site. I guess someone listened to the complaints.Hey, great news! Regardless of how they respond, I'm glad to see GC took action.

Haffy
06-28-2004, 05:37 PM
Yeah that is great news.Don't think it will be enough to stop them but maybe with any luck the authorities have been in touch with them also. I did also check some of the outlying caches in their area and from the looks of them there are a couple of those too that might have been their victims.One comes to mind and that is Ayuh cache in the St George state park, I noticed it was full and then all of a sudden the next log it was empty. Kind of suspicious don't you think? The other was the one in Vaughn's woods in Hallowell.I contacted both owners about them and haven't gotten replies but the Ayuh owner couldn't be contacted as his email addy has been moved. Just hope this is the end of it all but I wouldn't count on it. Haffy6

Bluegrass Gyrl
06-28-2004, 07:22 PM
What going to stop these guys from registering a new gc.com name? Also...how are we sure they aren't a member here and lurking these very boards? If they are banned from gc.com does that mean they can no longer search for caches? (Lots of questions...I don't have the answers!)

brdad
06-28-2004, 08:01 PM
Nothing will stop them but moving on to some other mischief. Hopefully that will be soon And they can move on to prison where we can support them for 20 years. Much of the evidence against them has been backed up, so if they kept it up there is still that. And they know we have their names, addresses and phone numbers.

Geomaineiacs
06-28-2004, 08:34 PM
Yeah that is great news.Don't think it will be enough to stop them but maybe with any luck the authorities have been in touch with them also. I did also check some of the outlying caches in their area and from the looks of them there are a couple of those too that might have been their victims.One comes to mind and that is Ayuh cache in the St George state park, I noticed it was full and then all of a sudden the next log it was empty. Kind of suspicious don't you think? The other was the one in Vaughn's woods in Hallowell.I contacted both owners about them and haven't gotten replies but the Ayuh owner couldn't be contacted as his email addy has been moved. Just hope this is the end of it all but I wouldn't count on it. Haffy6

I have corresponded with the Vaughn Woods owner, and we agreed his was a victim as well.

Haffy
06-28-2004, 10:01 PM
I just talked with the owner of the Hallowell Hideaway cache and they said they were hoping to get the cache replaced this weekend. Hope nothing happens to it again.