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Mainiac1957
10-09-2007, 07:32 PM
OK, So I have an interesting story for you all. We, as many of you know, are in Vermont for the week. We went to do an interesting cache today. You were to go to a walk in only cemetery and read numbers from 2 stones to get coords for the final. When I walked into the clearing I see a fresh dug hole. Now keep in mind that there is no possible way for any equipment to get there. The hole is not long enough to be a grave, BUT it is wide enough as well as deep enough. And it was definitely fresh dug. Now the strange part. One of the stones that we went to find was broken off and down in the freshly dug hole! We could only assume that it was the one since we didn't find it anywhere else. I tried to clean it off with a long stick, but had no luck, and I was NOT going down in there. I have to believe that someone was trying to rob a grave. As I said, this cemetery is a quarter mile bushwhack. Not a frequented place at all. I emailed the owner and suggested he contact the local authorities.

Hiram357
10-09-2007, 07:49 PM
OK, So I have an interesting story for you all. We, as many of you know, are in Vermont for the week. We went to do an interesting cache today. You were to go to a walk in only cemetery and read numbers from 2 stones to get coords for the final. When I walked into the clearing I see a fresh dug hole. Now keep in mind that there is no possible way for any equipment to get there. The hole is not long enough to be a grave, BUT it is wide enough as well as deep enough. And it was definitely fresh dug. Now the strange part. One of the stones that we went to find was broken off and down in the freshly dug hole! We could only assume that it was the one since we didn't find it anywhere else. I tried to clean it off with a long stick, but had no luck, and I was NOT going down in there. I have to believe that someone was trying to rob a grave. As I said, this cemetery is a quarter mile bushwhack. Not a frequented place at all. I emailed the owner and suggested he contact the local authorities.


what if it wasn't someone trying to get in... but someone trying to get out!?!?!?!?! :eek: :eek: :eek:

hollora
10-09-2007, 08:24 PM
Wow - that is really weird. Are you going to keep us posted on this near Halloween mystery?

I have a cemetery here in town that I was thinking about using but have hesitated to publish the coord to it. Maybe this reaffirms my feelings.

Heck - if the cemetery was old enough - the stuff decays and works to the top!

Mainiac1957
10-09-2007, 08:39 PM
that wasn't the case with this one. It was very evident of recent digging. It has been showering here a little and this dirt around the hole was barely packed down.:eek:

Hiram357
10-09-2007, 08:46 PM
that wasn't the case with this one. It was very evident of recent digging. It has been showering here a little and this dirt around the hole was barely packed down.:eek:


so apparently the zombie took its time digging the hole and neatly stacking the dirt... and only after getting out of the hole it saw that the name on the gravestone was misspelled and so it smashed the stone knocking it into the hole!

Mainiac1957
10-10-2007, 05:22 AM
I guess that the hole isn't that new, but it is being investigated by the State Police for possible grave robbing. Still a strange thing to find. Off to NY and the Adirondacks and Lake Placid today. We are taking the ferries over and back across Lake Champlain. Should be fun.

hollora
10-10-2007, 07:55 AM
Oh my - well you folks enjoy vacation and have a super time!

Cache Maine
10-10-2007, 11:45 AM
Somebody put some new caches out in the Bangor area...we might have a chance for a FTF with M57 that far away! :p :D :)

hollora
10-10-2007, 01:44 PM
And EMSDanel is leaving tomorrow!

Sudonim
10-10-2007, 02:25 PM
And Sudonim got back today :D

Haffy
10-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Hey welcome home matey!!!!! Looking forward to you posting some great pics from down under.

hollora
10-10-2007, 11:20 PM
And Sudonim got back today :D
welcome back to a great couple! ahhhh, now to return to a "normal" life as "usual"........whatever that all may mean. Hope to see you soon!

firefighterjake
10-11-2007, 08:03 AM
what if it wasn't someone trying to get in... but someone trying to get out!?!?!?!?! :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's why most cemeteries have fences around them. ;) :D

firefighterjake
10-11-2007, 08:13 AM
Wow - that is really weird. Are you going to keep us posted on this near Halloween mystery?

I have a cemetery here in town that I was thinking about using but have hesitated to publish the coord to it. Maybe this reaffirms my feelings.

Heck - if the cemetery was old enough - the stuff decays and works to the top!

I wouldn't worry too much about geocachers . . . most seem to be pretty respectful . . . and personally I love checking out old cemeteries . . . I find them quite peaceful.

In fact, after college I lived in a camp that was right next to a cemetery . . . well technically it was in the cemetery. True story. It seems as though my grandparents had built a camp a number of years back and for whatever reason my grandfather decided to move it right into the small family cemetery -- not over any graves (I assume), but within the maples lining the cemetery.

It was a bit odd since Heidi would hang laundry out back in the graveyard and actually used one of the headstones to "hold" on to her laundrybasket -- apparently she even made sure to thank the fella for lending her a hand. To this day she still remembers the family's names.

Over time the coffins had apparently decayed since you could see the depressions in the earth and once in a while a bone or two would pop up. I didn't think too much about this since it was a common enough occurence. However, one time an oil/propane technician was installing a propane line for us when one of our cats ran by with a human bone in its mouth (this is according to my wife Heidi who is a nurse -- she worked on an orthopedic floor once so she knows her bones) and kind of freaked out the guy.

Now that we officially own the area and the cemetery I hope to move the camp and fix up the cemetery so that it's a little more respectful to the family buried there . . .

firefighterjake
10-11-2007, 08:50 AM
I've got my own Vermont story as well . . . but nowhere near as freaky as Maniac's grave-digging zombie story.

I could entitle my little story . . . Vermont Hates Me . . . or maybe Emma, Where Did You Say You Lived Again? (inside joke that Hiram and Medawisla will understand) . . . or maybe even No Room At the Inn.

Now first off I have to tell you that about five or six years ago Heidi and I first traveled to Vermont and the first night there we stopped at one of the first hotels we came to in the Town of Woodstock. We stopped here since we were both very, very tired from working all day and traveling a good portion of the evening. I should have been clued in to a possible problem when the clerk asked if I wanted to see the room -- something that no one has ever asked me before or since then. However, I figured a room is a room -- I have low standards. I only want to sleep there and take a shower . . . I don't care if it doesn't have a whirlpool tub, mints on the pillows, etc.

That was my first mistake . . . we took the room since we were wicked tired, but I can tell you that neither Heidi or I got much sleep. First off, the room was a mess -- tiles were missing in the bathroom ceiling even. It probably won't surprise you to learn that the carpet was vintage 1974 burnt sienna shag orange. The strangest thing was to find cat litter under the bed -- I'm still not sure to this day if it was to try to combat the odor or if it was for the cat employed to kill the mice in the walls which we heard all night long (apparently this was the cat's night off since we never saw it.)

Since then, I have always tried to get a hotel rated by AAA unless I'm in a real pinch and now I always try to find a hotel before I'm totally exhausted so I can get a different hotel room if I ever find myself in a dive like that one.

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And so this brings us to present day . . . or more specifically to last Friday-Saturday.

In retrospect I probably should have reserved a room (although as some of you know from my ranting about the Crown Park Inn in Caribou a year or so ago, reservations don't mean squat) . . . and I should have been clued in to a possible problem when we had to go to four hotels in Rutland before finding a room at a decent price, but then again I wouldn't have this tale to tell you if I had done so.

We stayed the night in Rutland after a very nice visit of Calvin Coolidge's boyhood home in Plymouth Notch. We then journeyed south to the Wilson Castle (very nice), Hubbardton Battlefield (not very spectacular) and Fort Ticonderoga (OK, but not great) before looking for a hotel room in Shelburne . . . and then Burlington. We quickly discovered however after I checked at hotel after hotel that there was nothing available -- apparently this was due to the convergence of leaf peepers (including tour buses) coming up from the south, those darn Canadians coming south for Thanksgiving and taking advantage of the cheap American dollar, a large wedding and UVM's Parent's Weekend.

After driving all over Burlington and finding nothing available we took one hotel's advice and drove 45 minutes north to St. Albans . . . only to find once again no rooms were available. At this point we decided to head east and check for room availability as we went . . . finally after many stops and seeing "no vacancy" over and over again I stopped at one hotel where the clerk said she had called a bunch of hotels within a 30 minute distance and there were no rooms . . . she added that one group from Montreal had given up and were heading home . . . and that it seemed as though there was nothing available in that area of Vermont or New Hampshire.

With that news Heidi and I made the decision to head home with the intention of possibly staying in the White Mountains if we found a vacancy . . . but alas it was not meant to be. Nine hours after starting our search we crawled into our own bed around 2 a.m. . . . and I have since made a resolution . . . I'm not going back to Vermont anytime soon -- or I'll at least make a reservation several weeks ahead of time and hope that the hotel doesn't run things like the Crown Park Inn in Caribou.;) :D

Foxgloves
10-11-2007, 10:41 AM
.....The hole is not long enough to be a grave, BUT it is wide enough as well as deep enough. And it was definitely fresh dug. Now the strange part. One of the stones that we went to find was broken off and down in the freshly dug hole! We could only assume that it was the one since we didn't find it anywhere else. I tried to clean it off with a long stick, but had no luck, and I was NOT going down in there. I have to believe that someone was trying to rob a grave. I emailed the owner and suggested he contact the local authorities.

That is really spooky....I seem to recall another story similar to this one that happened a couple yers ago to another geocacher in VT. I wonder if its the same cache involved. The authorities got involved in that one too. What is the name of the cache Mainiac? Well I hope they find out who the vandals are. With Halloween coming up you almost have to wonder if its just a prank in poor taste...:eek:
If I had been me, I'm sure it would put a damper on my caching. I'm glad you were still able to continue on with your vacation.

hollora
10-11-2007, 02:48 PM
Had the pleasure of bumping into Jake and Heidi (yes in the flesh - not that photo in his wallet that everyone wonders about)....at Ocean State Job Lots (I didn't see any LocNLocs in his basket or those fake rats either) in Belfast on Monday. We had a great chat and he related his horror story of the Trip!

It was interesting as I traveled through Rangely over the weekend at the number of folks on the road - loads of them. It passed through my mind I might be lucky I didn't need a room and was staying at a friend's home for the weekend. On my way back up East on Rt 1 the line of traffic southbound going into Wiscasset was over 3 miles long waiting to cross the bridge.

Lesson learned - holidays and peak seasons - prepare ahead. But Jake and Heidi could have stayed in their 4 Runner at Walmart if they had really objected to driving home.

As for the grave yard - a number of years ago the step-grandsons were mowing in our town Settler's cemetery. The mower hit metel. It was a casket tag off a casket. A metal engraved tag with information about the person in the casket. The weird thing was that the tag and the data on the gravestone did not match exactly. Wonder which one is really right?

firefighterjake
10-11-2007, 03:02 PM
Had the pleasure of bumping into Jake and Heidi (yes in the flesh - not that photo in his wallet that everyone wonders about)....at Ocean State Job Lots (I didn't see any LocNLocs in his basket or those fake rats either) in Belfast on Monday. We had a great chat and he related his horror story of the Trip!

It was interesting as I traveled through Rangely over the weekend at the number of folks on the road - loads of them. It passed through my mind I might be lucky I didn't need a room and was staying at a friend's home for the weekend. On my way back up East on Rt 1 the line of traffic southbound going into Wiscasset was over 3 miles long waiting to cross the bridge.

Lesson learned - holidays and peak seasons - prepare ahead. But Jake and Heidi could have stayed in their 4 Runner at Walmart if they had really objected to driving home.

As for the grave yard - a number of years ago the step-grandsons were mowing in our town Settler's cemetery. The mower hit metel. It was a casket tag off a casket. A metal engraved tag with information about the person in the casket. The weird thing was that the tag and the data on the gravestone did not match exactly. Wonder which one is really right?

Actually we were in Heidi's Subaru . . . she mentioned something about her sleeping in the backseat and me sleeping in the trunk (must have thought I was a Trunk Monkey or something like that), but I vetoed that idea.;) :D

Cache Maine
10-11-2007, 03:42 PM
must have thought I was a Trunk Monkey or something like that

Trunk Monkey? Ohhhhh...that one is going to come back to haunt you later! LOL :eek:

Hiram357
10-11-2007, 04:00 PM
Trunk Monkey? Ohhhhh...that one is going to come back to haunt you later! LOL :eek:


LOL.... no, no, he's the Trunk ORCA!!! :D ;) :rolleyes: :p

hollora
10-11-2007, 06:16 PM
As long as nothing hangs out!

Mainiac1957
10-11-2007, 08:12 PM
OK so I got an email back from the cache owner. Says it's been like that for awhile. Says "Yeah the stone you need is fine". So what the heck, I hate DNF's so back I go. Well! Kathie and Mike decide not to go in again. I go alone. No problem, cloudy, light drizzle falling. I search and search and search for the grave of Mr Basset. No luck, again. So I go and peer down into the open grave and try to read the stone in the bottom. I say,"What the hell, what's the worse that could happen". I get a stout stick, and climb into the hole. All six feet deep of a hole. I now have to bend down to brush away the dirt and leaves covering the wording. I get his death date, 1853. I scamper back out. Look at my PDA and see I needed his age in years, months, and days! OK, so back into the ground I go. Did I mention it was rainy and dark. So now I see he was 93 years, and 25 days. I can't read the months because that side is stuck in the dirt. I try to brush it away with my foot. No luck. Now I get this weird thought. What if this caves in! Oh great, I get a used grave. So I climb back out and see where someone had burned a candle on the next stone over. All set and I'm outta there. DNF's aren't so bad after all.:eek:

Hiram357
10-11-2007, 10:49 PM
lol, a used grave... well, at least it would be broken in! ;)

i don't get the thing with the candle though? did i miss somethin? :confused:

Mainiac1957
10-12-2007, 06:22 AM
Did anyone else not know what that meant? I really didn't want to post that, not that I'm into it myself. It's just another level of twisted. Hiram, I'll PM you.

firefighterjake
10-12-2007, 09:45 AM
Did anyone else not know what that meant? I really didn't want to post that, not that I'm into it myself. It's just another level of twisted. Hiram, I'll PM you.

Color me confused as well . . . I guess Hiram and I must be pretty naive or something. ;) :D

pjpreb
10-12-2007, 08:51 PM
over my head too:confused:

Beach Comber
10-12-2007, 10:12 PM
Did anyone else not know what that meant? I really didn't want to post that, not that I'm into it myself. It's just another level of twisted. Hiram, I'll PM you.


some form of ritual most likely

FuddsGirls
10-14-2007, 11:00 PM
Did anyone else not know what that meant? I really didn't want to post that, not that I'm into it myself. It's just another level of twisted. Hiram, I'll PM you.
So I figure there's a college near by, did they leave the blanket and the bottle too? Ha, sickos:eek: Wow this conversation sounds familiar:confused:

firefighterjake
10-15-2007, 07:37 AM
Well I wish someone would clue me in to what may have been happening -- send me a PM or something. I know curiosity killed the cat . . . but then again I'm no cat so I'm a mite curious.

XMTSpot
11-09-2009, 08:58 PM
OK. HI my name is Travis. Im new to GC and to Maine and to this forum.
I know that im bringing up a old thread but this sounds like a great adventure and not knowing the results is killing me.
Will you PM me the cache so I can go see this for myself? Can you also PM me the meaning of the burnt candle on the grave?
I have a Jeep wrangler so there is room for 1 more if anyone is up for a trip. (back seat is gone).

Mainiac1957
11-09-2009, 10:36 PM
I was actually back to that cache...If You're Not Paying Attention (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=9831965a-6c46-47dc-b57c-9d347965b33a) (GCZTFV) by crashco (& Mrs C) (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=96858) (2/2.5) last month when I was over that way on vacation. The grave was now filled in and you can see where the stone was broken off and missing. A good cache hide after all.