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d’76
03-28-2008, 11:22 AM
Ok.... so it is evident that the cache and carry thread was a loss.

Since we live in Maine it is obivious that nothing bad ever happens. I watch the news and read the paper on a daily basis. I never read or see bad things happening to good people.:rolleyes:

So here I want for people to talk about some of the things that have happened to them that scared them, not just caching but anything outdoors that scared you. I dont mean funny stuff like seeing Hiram in a pokadot thong. I mean things that posed a potential threat. I will start off because I was asked in the thread , it should be brought to our attention.

THe cache that I was talking about was GCWMFE Little Falls Cache. Sudonim and I have talk about what has happened and realised that it could happen at any cache. The cache is a beautiful little spot in eastern rural Maine. Connie and I where out trying to clear a few maps for the delorme challenge. We had been caching all day and found ourself about 2 hours from there and decided that we needed to go do this cache but it would be well after dark before we got there. So thats what we decided. I mean comeon who hasnt cached at night. I mean thats part of the fun. It was warm that night and was driving in to the spot with the windows down. Anyone that has ever done this cache realises that it is a bit of a drive down a dirt road. We got to within about 600 ft of the cache and stopped when we got to the spot where the cache was right off our left straight through the woods. Not knowing that area very well we didnt know where to park and so on. We drove just a bit farther in. You have to go over a little hill to get to the parking area, when our headlights cleared the hill and we started down the other side all the lights at the campsite went out and people scattered like cockroaches. After just a moment of silence and Connie and I where trying to figure out what just happened a flash and a shot rung out and went flying by the car and branches where breaking as the bullet went past the car. To make a long story short we got the #*&% out of there. Well needless to say that cache is still 2 hours from Lincoln. The closest PD that we knew about. Stopped by the pd and reported it. They said one of two things happened the officer said. One we either came across a meth lab or a poaching ring. Both are common in that community.

ANd there are other times I will share as the thread progresses

hollora
03-28-2008, 12:09 PM
Double post - sorry!

Sudonim
03-28-2008, 12:10 PM
To add to what Dave said:
He called me one day and told me what happened. I wondered if I should shut down that cache, but after talking with Dave, I realized that it could be a one-time event, maybe a group of people meeting at a remote spot for a drug deal, or just underage drinking gotten out of hand. If I get another report like that, I will know that it is a bad spot.
Most of the logs I get from that cache, first "How the heck did you find this spot?"
Then, "Pretty spot, thanks for showing it to me"
Most (but not all) cache in the daytime, and it IS a park with picnic tables and parking by the river. Remote, but a public spot.
Again, I enjoyed the location, others have said the same, but if I hear about another incident like the one Dave experienced, I will shut it down. I hope it was an isolated, one time event, the kind that could have happened at many of the caches we visit every month.

hollora
03-28-2008, 12:16 PM
My creepy/scarry experience came about at GCHFBQ - Railroad Ramble Cache in Newcastle. Llast year, I had a coin which wanted to make it to that cache. On my way back from Portland I took a diversionary route so I could drop off the coin. It was easy to find the entrance to the trail system. Nothing seemed out of order – down a dirt road off a tarred road and a nice little kiosk, sign in book (maps missing but that’s not unusual at the end of the season). No other cars – but that too – didn’t seem a problem. Established trails which went down towards a view of the water, etc. So off I took. Left the car locked and things in the car covered. I was gone about 1 hour and on returning back towards the car – heard voices in the parking lot – again – no alarms yet – until I exited the trails to where I could view the parking lot. I was preparing to sign out on the trail log – and also taking in the scene…….two, shady looking long haired, tattooed fellows………I was so freaked. I didn’t even hear what they were saying but they clearly were not there to walk the trails………….I said to self, self – use confidence – go sign the log, get your hands on your car keys, remember your RAD training, unlock your car and leave – pronto! As I was signing out on the log, I dropped the top to my pen and never even bothered to pick it up. I just rushed, unlocked the door and was about to leave when another car came down the road and clearly was going to join them. I was in the parking space so the car drove by as they exchanged waves with the folks already in the lot. I backed out and left. It was the creepiest and worse feeling I have ever had caching. It also taught me ~ when going to strange areas it’s probably best to go as 2 fers not alone. JMHO

hollora
03-28-2008, 12:23 PM
To add to what Dave said:
He called me one day and told me what happened. I wondered if I should shut down that cache, but after talking with Dave, I realized that it could be a one-time event, maybe a group of people meeting at a remote spot for a drug deal, or just underage drinking gotten out of hand. If I get another report like that, I will know that it is a bad spot.
Most of the logs I get from that cache, first "How the heck did you find this spot?"
Then, "Pretty spot, thanks for showing it to me"
Most (but not all) cache in the daytime, and it IS a park with picnic tables and parking by the river. Remote, but a public spot.
Again, I enjoyed the location, others have said the same, but if I hear about another incident like the one Dave experienced, I will shut it down. I hope it was an isolated, one time event, the kind that could have happened at many of the caches we visit every month.

Cache Maine and I did this cache in the daytime ~ during hunting season. We did not experience anything creepy. And there were folks further down in the parking area on our return from finding the cache. We had parked up by the "conveniences". This is a public area and I think camping is even allowed.

The down side was, had something happened, we had not cell phone service - but hey, that happens in a lot of areas here in Maine.

Unless someone is a "local", if we are placing caches in areas new to us - but beautiful, public and a place we just want to share - it is sometimes hard to know the ins and outs of "goings on" which may not be kosher. Being responsive to concerns posted by cachers is important. It sounds like Sudonim is willing to take steps if necessary. Hopefully, Dave's experience was isolated. And I hope the one I just described was too.

d’76
03-28-2008, 12:50 PM
I was behind the Hannaford in Old Town by the Elementary school in the early ninties afterdark calling deer to get better at it for hunting season ;) The deer split quick fast and in a hurry and thought that particular call was not going to work for hunting. A minute or two later I saw what I thought was another deer so began bleeting again. It kept coming closer and closer till I was so excited thinking I had found the perfect call sequence. As it got closer I could make out the silouette. It wasnt a deer at all. It was a bear coming in for a snack. We did the worst thing possible and that was RUN!! The bear gingerly followed until we where almost to the Hannaford. That was much scarier then being shot at.

brdad
03-28-2008, 02:03 PM
I did the original Lead Mtn. Golden Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3e786a8f-ccbb-4109-a7cc-32e96f787e9b) (GC8A26) by Team Dakota & Cheyenne (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=66758) (3/4) at the end of November in 2002. It was 12° out, not a lot of snow, but the trail up was icy and slippery. It was one of those days when you're in the woods alone and everything is so quiet you feel like you're the only one left on the planet.

I was working my way up slowly and quietly when all of a sudden there was a loud thrashing that I could tell was very close. I ducked behind the closest tree just in time to see a Bull Moose pass by me at full speed, no more than 10 feet from me. I imagine he was as startled as I was and never saw me. He ran through the woods, knocking down small trees along the way. I could hear him running for 30 seconds or more. Could have been a bad situation had I been in his path!

chibongo
03-28-2008, 02:31 PM
The date was January 2004. I had not been caching long. Maybe just over a month. :? I decided to tackle a Chris&Cindy cache called “Dirty Little Cache.” It was described as being very small...so small that it didn’t have a log in it, just an object that you had to identify. I got my GPSr and headed out determined to locate this elusive cache. :rambo:

I got to the area of the cache, which was not far form the nearest parking. My car was probably 20 feet away. I searched by a fence and on top of a hill for at least an hour. There was a light mist the entire time I was searching. I looked EVERYWHERE for this cache. You know...under every piece of paper, soda can, rock, twigs, etc. I searched all along the fence, in the nearby tree, around the hill...you get the picture, right? Well, I finally got so frustrated that I just decided to leave and come back another day. :cry:

That night, I couldn’t sleep due to thinking about that cache. I kept going over the cache description in my mind. Over and over and...well, you get the idea. Finally, I remembered something that I thought I could find useful. :idea: I just knew it had to be on the fence. I told myself that I was going back the next day.

The rain hit and it rained until almost noon. I was finally able to get back out and attempt that... cache. I drove up to my little parking spot that I had the day before and began my search. All of the sudden, I saw something that I had not seen the day before. It was orange(it was just an orange newspaper bag...you know...to keep the paper dry as it sits out in your driveway after they deliver it?). As I walked toward this orange thing, that I know was not there the day before, I saw that there were rocks piled on top of the object. I thought, how did I miss this yesterday? I KNOW I didn’t. This was a new object. Maybe Chris&Cindy decided to make their cache a little bigger. I went and grabbed the bag. Since my car was so close, I decided to take the cache and sign the log in the car.

While sitting in my car, about to open the cache, my cell phone rang. I answered the phone as I was reaching into the bag. My friend on the other line said the thing that most of my friends say, which was “Are you out in the woods somewhere?” “No” I replied, “but I did just find a cache.” All of the sudden, I pulled a hundred dollar bill out of the bag. :money: I told my friend that I just found $100.00. She said “What?” Then, I pulled another hundred dollar bill out of the bag. :yikes: OK, now I was worried. Did someone rob a store? I got nervous. I shut my car door and drove away with the bag still sitting on my lap! After driving a couple blocks, I stopped and performed a more thorough search of the bag. It had little packets of white powder with green dollar signs on the outside of the baggies. :yikes: At this point, I could make this story really long and make myself sound like the geek that I am but I will just say that I drove the bag to the police station around the corner (making sure I didn’t go 1 mph over the speed limit). Turns out, there was $200.00, 32 baggies of coke, and an eight ball of coke in the bag. :eek2:

Trying to explain how I found the stash to the officers was quite comical. One police officer even held my GPSr and said “You can actually find drugs and money with this?”...Duh!

Before anyone even asks, NO I didn’t keep the money.

Sudonim
03-28-2008, 03:05 PM
So, did you go back and find the cache??? (I know you found the CASH :) )

Hiram357
03-28-2008, 03:12 PM
The date was January 2004. I had not been caching long. Maybe just over a month. :? I decided to tackle a Chris&Cindy cache called “Dirty Little Cache.” It was described as being very small...so small that it didn’t have a log in it, just an object that you had to identify. I got my GPSr and headed out determined to locate this elusive cache. :rambo:

I got to the area of the cache, which was not far form the nearest parking. My car was probably 20 feet away. I searched by a fence and on top of a hill for at least an hour. There was a light mist the entire time I was searching. I looked EVERYWHERE for this cache. You know...under every piece of paper, soda can, rock, twigs, etc. I searched all along the fence, in the nearby tree, around the hill...you get the picture, right? Well, I finally got so frustrated that I just decided to leave and come back another day. :cry:

That night, I couldn’t sleep due to thinking about that cache. I kept going over the cache description in my mind. Over and over and...well, you get the idea. Finally, I remembered something that I thought I could find useful. :idea: I just knew it had to be on the fence. I told myself that I was going back the next day.

The rain hit and it rained until almost noon. I was finally able to get back out and attempt that... cache. I drove up to my little parking spot that I had the day before and began my search. All of the sudden, I saw something that I had not seen the day before. It was orange(it was just an orange newspaper bag...you know...to keep the paper dry as it sits out in your driveway after they deliver it?). As I walked toward this orange thing, that I know was not there the day before, I saw that there were rocks piled on top of the object. I thought, how did I miss this yesterday? I KNOW I didn’t. This was a new object. Maybe Chris&Cindy decided to make their cache a little bigger. I went and grabbed the bag. Since my car was so close, I decided to take the cache and sign the log in the car.

While sitting in my car, about to open the cache, my cell phone rang. I answered the phone as I was reaching into the bag. My friend on the other line said the thing that most of my friends say, which was “Are you out in the woods somewhere?” “No” I replied, “but I did just find a cache.” All of the sudden, I pulled a hundred dollar bill out of the bag. :money: I told my friend that I just found $100.00. She said “What?” Then, I pulled another hundred dollar bill out of the bag. :yikes: OK, now I was worried. Did someone rob a store? I got nervous. I shut my car door and drove away with the bag still sitting on my lap! After driving a couple blocks, I stopped and performed a more thorough search of the bag. It had little packets of white powder with green dollar signs on the outside of the baggies. :yikes: At this point, I could make this story really long and make myself sound like the geek that I am but I will just say that I drove the bag to the police station around the corner (making sure I didn’t go 1 mph over the speed limit). Turns out, there was $200.00, 32 baggies of coke, and an eight ball of coke in the bag. :eek2:

Trying to explain how I found the stash to the officers was quite comical. One police officer even held my GPSr and said “You can actually find drugs and money with this?”...Duh!

Before anyone even asks, NO I didn’t keep the money.

:eek::eek:

It's a good thing you didn't pick it up when the other people were supposed to find it came to look for it!

d’76
03-28-2008, 03:28 PM
:eek::eek:

It's a good thing you didn't pick it up when the other people were supposed to find it came to look for it!


Thats why you carry;)

pjpreb
03-28-2008, 05:56 PM
Tell your story of the stingy things MsTeeLee!!!!!! That even scares *me* and I wan't there!!


Our scary story is on GCQ235 "Crooked Cache" and is similar to Hollora's story. We pulled in to the parking area and we were under constant surveillance by Hannibal Lecter. This guy was one of the scariest looking dudes you ever saw! We walked the short distance and found the cache surrounded by porn magazine clippings, signed the log with all due haste and prayed Hannibal would stay in his truck until we were able to get out of Dodge. We still point out that area as "The Axe Murderer Place".:eek:

Hiram357
03-28-2008, 06:05 PM
Tell your story of the stingy things MsTeeLee!!!!!! That even scares *me* and I wan't there!!


Our scary story is on GCQ235 "Crooked Cache" and is similar to Hollora's story. We pulled in to the parking area and we were under constant surveillance by Hannibal Lecter. This guy was one of the scariest looking dudes you ever saw! We walked the short distance and found the cache surrounded by porn magazine clippings, signed the log with all due haste and prayed Hannibal would stay in his truck until we were able to get out of Dodge. We still point out that area as "The Axe Murderer Place".:eek:

So that was you guys I saw there!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

For my story... Fitz Cache... nuf said... :eek:

pjpreb
03-28-2008, 06:16 PM
So that was you guys I saw there!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

For my story... Fitz Cache... nuf said... :eek:

Dang I thought you looked familiar when we met you! :D

Ack!!!! We did Fitz Cache too!! Talk albout creepy! :eek:

Sudonim
03-28-2008, 06:27 PM
I think the weapon of choice at Fitz cache would be mace, nothing heavier caliber needed.

pjpreb
03-28-2008, 06:29 PM
Throw a Barbara Streisand CD and run in the opposite direction!

d’76
03-28-2008, 07:22 PM
So that was you guys I saw there!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

For my story... Fitz Cache... nuf said... :eek:


I thought you would have liked that cache. It was nice walk in the woods.:p

Hiram357
03-28-2008, 07:34 PM
I think the weapon of choice at Fitz cache would be mace, nothing heavier caliber needed.

no... i think an airstrike would have been appropriate... :rolleyes::D


Throw a Barbara Streisand CD and run in the opposite direction!

OOOH! Which one are you throwing! i might not have it! :rolleyes:;)


I thought you would have liked that cache. It was nice walk in the woods.:p

dave... i think you're taking this thread a little off topic... :p;):rolleyes::D

Kacky
03-28-2008, 07:51 PM
I've done a couple where I ended up on terrain that I shouldn't have been on, and one time I was with the Goddess and I thought she broke a rib, but so far that's all. I did get stared at at the Fitz cache but that was more sad than anything.

tat
03-28-2008, 08:32 PM
A lot of people thought I was taking a lot of risk kayaking the Maine Island Trail last year. But it was much safer than my last high risk adventure: commuting from Maine to Massachusetts and back every day!

The scariest thing I've ever seen has to be the ride to the cache. I've seen people get distracted with cell phones, gps units and maps. I've seen so many cars tailgate, speed and cross the center line, the woods seem very safe to me.

As far as guns are concerned, my scariest cache was in Bogata Colombia. I was supposed to fly to Bogata, get a hotel, then continue on in the morning to Armenia. My plane was a little late on arrival into Bogata and I would have had to leave the hotel a little before midnight. I was too scared to go.

On the way back, I was supposed to have a short layover and head to Atlanta. I missed my connection and had the whole day to spend in Bogata. I've heard Colombia is the most heavily armed country not at war. It certainly is the biggest gun show I've ever seen!! I was much, much more afraid of the taxi driver. I should have been afraid of those artery clogging fries back home!

EMSDanel
03-30-2008, 12:47 AM
My scariest moment was one I caused all on my own. I went in the winter time to "Don't Quarry, Be Happy" (GCM460). I hadn't been caching that long and was still very gung-ho about finding caches on my day off. I got all the way up the steep access road in thigh-high snow and found myself at the entrance to a quarry carved into a mountain top. I could see where the cache had to be.....up on the top of the quarry to my left. To get there I would have to climb up onto granite shelves that looked like a large staircase cut into the rock....each level being waist level higher than the last. I'd have to climb up, traverse horizontally for a few feet, then climb up to the next level. The problem was, it had rained and the entire surface was glare ice! After getting all the way in there, and not wanting to turn away without the find, I decided to go for it. I pulled out my set of house/car keys, took off two of them, and started to use them as ice picks to keep myself from slipping as I made my climb and traversing the horizontal sections. It was when I was about three stories up that I looked down, and fully realized that I was on glare ice being held in place by two house keys that I had jammed into the ice. I was near the top and decided to go on, but I also realized that I had to descend the same way I had come up, and that if I slipped and fell chances were very slim that I would be found before spring. I was a new cacher and had taken a very foolish chance. I vowed never to be that foolish again, and after finding the cache made my way very slowly and cautiously down the face of the granite. I was SO relieved to get back to my car. Trust me on this one, I learned my lesson..... I will not take such a foolish risk again.

Katadin Goddess
03-30-2008, 07:40 AM
where is the fitz cache, trying to place where it is in my head.

I dont like being greated by a loose dog that is barking in an unfriendly way, seen this before while out caching.

Sabby
03-30-2008, 07:53 AM
The Fitz cache was at a rest area outside Elsworth.

I stopped there and decided that I was not going to get out of the car and just moved on.

I just felt "uneasy" and decided the cache was not worth it.

vicbiker
03-30-2008, 08:44 AM
Dan's story is all to similar to my own worst adventure.Mine was also in the winter on my second week of being a new cacher. Foolishly on a Saturday morning I found myself at Laughing Terry's "Death wish #1".There was still a foot or more of snow in the woods, although was crusty enough to walk on. Also ribbons of thick ice ran through the crusty snow, these disappearing over the edge of a cliff. These icy spots were so slippery I could barely stand on them , having to hold on to trees for support. Approaching the point where the ice ran over the edge I could hear the roar of the water as it poured over a falls fifty feet below where I was standing clutching a young tree. The sight of this raging white water rushing down through an icy canyon, coupled with the name death wish, should have been plenty of deterrent not to go any further. Especially for someone my age with the experience and training that I've had in outdoor survival. The lure of finding the cache and the thrill of the hunt were just to much. So just like Dan I also was foolish enough to risk my life to win at the game. Back at home were my mountaineering boots, ice climbing crampons, trekking poles, rope, and evidently all my common sense. With me I had none of the above. Even so by sliding down to a root, a rock or a hand hold on something that looked as though it might hold I was able to make my way down to the bottom of the canyon. Once down it became all the more apparent how foolish this was. The ice at the bottom covered in spray from the boiling white water, the shear height of the canyon walls,and the realization that I haven't told anyone where I was going all added to heart pounding excitement. The cache wasn't to be found that day and I obviously did make it out. The next day armed with with my sidekick Number Seven, some basic equipment and an email reply from the man himself Laughing Terry we successfully completed Death Wish # 1.

The moral of the story, well you all know what it is, never cache alone, or at least let someone know where you're going. We all do foolish things and usually we get away with them, but not always. Remember Gulf Hagas a few winters ago?

firefighterjake
04-01-2008, 09:19 AM
So that was you guys I saw there!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

For my story... Fitz Cache... nuf said... :eek:


Ditto.:D;)