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dí76
06-21-2008, 09:09 AM
There was a time when you could ride your atv from milford to Chick hill. I have found the trails on the atv trail map to get me to the base of chick hill but I dont know if you can ride to the top. Does anyone know if there is a legit atv trail to the peak?

firefighterjake
06-21-2008, 09:22 AM
There was a time when you could ride your atv from milford to Chick hill. I have found the trails on the atv trail map to get me to the base of chick hill but I dont know if you can ride to the top. Does anyone know if there is a legit atv trail to the peak?

Don't hold me to it Dave, but about three years back a buddy of mine and I were four wheeling from the Airline Snack Bar to Nicatous . . . at least that was the plan, but somehow we got turned around and ended up following ATV signs right to Chick Hill. . . I can't recall if there were signs heading up the hill or not, but I do remember that just about everyone there was going up . . . and I almost think that were signs (but then again I have a pretty poor memory). At the time there were also several other ATVers there -- some had trailered to the area and were taking off from there.

There was another group of ATVers as well who were there . . . they were low on gas and my buddy and I were low on food . . . well actually we had no food and were quite hungry. Since we had extra gas and they had extra bologna and bread we made a swap . . . fuel for food. True story. However,things get even stranger . . . about a year or so later I ran into these very same people in the Litchfield Area as I (and them) were geocaching -- you see it was that ATV misadventure that caused me to go out and buy a GPSr so I wouldn't get lost while ATVing . . . and then of course I needed to justify the expense of buying a GPSr so I also took up geocaching as another hobby . . . I assume they did the same. Haven't run into those folks since then though. . . . if memory serves me correctly they have a camp somewhere down that way.

In any case, I took a look at my map that I have of the Sunrise Trail and the map I have doesn't show a legal ATV trail up Chick Hill . . . but I could of sworn that there were ATV signs leading us to and from there. Sorry I'm not much help.

brdad
06-21-2008, 09:23 AM
There are/were several ways to get from Stud Mill Road to Chick Hill. I made maps back when I started ATVing, and before riding was as limited as it is now.

There is a road you can drive to the top of Big Peaked. We took my truck up last 4th of July, it's a great spot to see the fireworks from Bar Harbor, Bangor, and other places. As far as I know, ATVs are still allowed.

Someone made a partial ATV trail up Little Peaked, but it's very steep, too much for the machine I had.

dí76
06-22-2008, 10:11 AM
OK, so yesterday we made for chick hill by way of the 22000 rd. Alot has changed out there since the last time I was out that way. I mean new roads, new gates. I was surprised by the lack of atv trail signs out on the trails. I know they where trails cause you could see the trails on the trail map. We did go to the top of chick hill:eek:, not sure if you are techinically supposed to but there where so many atvs going up and down, so I asked several of the locals and they all said yes it was allowed but soime signs from a local atv club would have been nice. We then follwed the atv trail over towards Morrison pond by way Sunkhase blueberry farms. We followed the trail a ways and a huge gate and severla monsterous boulders where blocking the way.:mad::( I suspect someone got in there and ripped up the property.

Today we are heading out around the 24000 rd and Nicatous to see what kinds of new roads and gates we can find out there. MAybe even pick up a cache or two.;)

firefighterjake
06-22-2008, 08:19 PM
OK, so yesterday we made for chick hill by way of the 22000 rd. Alot has changed out there since the last time I was out that way. I mean new roads, new gates. I was surprised by the lack of atv trail signs out on the trails. I know they where trails cause you could see the trails on the trail map. We did go to the top of chick hill:eek:, not sure if you are techinically supposed to but there where so many atvs going up and down, so I asked several of the locals and they all said yes it was allowed but soime signs from a local atv club would have been nice. We then follwed the atv trail over towards Morrison pond by way Sunkhase blueberry farms. We followed the trail a ways and a huge gate and severla monsterous boulders where blocking the way.:mad::( I suspect someone got in there and ripped up the property.

Today we are heading out around the 24000 rd and Nicatous to see what kinds of new roads and gates we can find out there. MAybe even pick up a cache or two.;)


Great trail report . . . personally I always enjoy riding on the Sunrise Trail -- a bit of something for everybody and every skill level. If you ever want to go for another ride sometime just give me a few days notice . . . I would love to go back and ride there again. A real nice change of pace is to go south from the Airline Snack Bar and go to Cherryfield . . . a few blueberry barrens and lots of woods trails and some areas with some fairly large rocks requiring a bit of rock climbing.

dí76
06-22-2008, 08:27 PM
So todays ride was ok. We unloaded at the 23000 rd and went to Deer lake on the 32000 rd. We had to cross the Studmill rd after a short cruise on some trails. The trail that we rode when we crossed the Studmill rd was terrible. It was a new trail about 5 years ago. I knew it needed some time to get broke it but this is terrible now. The trail was very narrow and sharp broken rocks everywhere. What used to be in the woods just off the Studmill road is now right under that big ass powerline they put up. The trail was only .4 miles to the next road where the riding was good. Lunch at Deer lake was great. There was a nice breeze to keep the bugs down. On the way back I made a smart choice but was not the best choice I suspect. The voice of reason came into my head and told me the fine I would pay for skipping that bad portion of trail and riding the Studmill rd for .4 miles would be significant less then any of the damage I would do to the atv dragging it over all those rocks. I was hoping that trail would have been better by now.

Ditto on the riding. When you go give me a heads up a few days in advance and we can hook up and make a day of it.

bgrffdave
07-03-2008, 05:41 PM
It's good to hear that other people are having trouble telling where trails are and aren't in that area... I'm not crazy!

My wife and I just got our first wheeler this spring... a LONG overdue purchase. I did the recommended thing and joined a club: Airline ATV Riders out in Eddington. In trying to get trail info for a number of areas, including around Chick Hill, I keep getting referred to the State ATV map. If you haven't seen it yet you're in for a disappointment. It's far too lacking in usable detail and doesn't even have parking areas so you could easily learn by exploration. The map itself even says it's more for reference and to contact local clubs. At least 1/3 of the clubs I've contacted say they're working on maps but to get a state map.

In talking with Airline club members recently going up Chick Hill is okay... but... apparently you're not supposed to park and unload in the parking area used by hikers and such now. Folks from the club told me that they unload down on the Stage Coach Road and ride up... where I don't know and up the road or some trail I'm not sure.

A bit off topic but... On a ride last Sunday, in the rain no less, we unloaded on the Stud Mill Road at the Horseback. There is a pit on the right (South side) of the Stud Mill Road. The trail crosses the road at that point and you can make a good little loop by Pickerel Pond, around by/up Chick Hill, and back to the pit... I'm guessing around 18-20 miles. All good trail. I was only able to track part of it on the GPS. On that ride I bumped into folks from the Airline Club and asked how to get from that area over to trails heading toward Deer and on up to Duck Lake. They said there wasn't a connector. I'm gonna have to go out and do some recon because I'm almost positive that I saw trails heading toward Pickerel and Chick Hill when I was out with my truck around Deer and Duck earlier this spring. Anyone know of trails to do this?

dí76
07-03-2008, 07:03 PM
It's good to hear that other people are having trouble telling where trails are and aren't in that area... I'm not crazy!

My wife and I just got our first wheeler this spring... a LONG overdue purchase. I did the recommended thing and joined a club: Airline ATV Riders out in Eddington. In trying to get trail info for a number of areas, including around Chick Hill, I keep getting referred to the State ATV map. If you haven't seen it yet you're in for a disappointment. It's far too lacking in usable detail and doesn't even have parking areas so you could easily learn by exploration. The map itself even says it's more for reference and to contact local clubs. At least 1/3 of the clubs I've contacted say they're working on maps but to get a state map.

In talking with Airline club members recently going up Chick Hill is okay... but... apparently you're not supposed to park and unload in the parking area used by hikers and such now. Folks from the club told me that they unload down on the Stage Coach Road and ride up... where I don't know and up the road or some trail I'm not sure.

A bit off topic but... On a ride last Sunday, in the rain no less, we unloaded on the Stud Mill Road at the Horseback. There is a pit on the right (South side) of the Stud Mill Road. The trail crosses the road at that point and you can make a good little loop by Pickerel Pond, around by/up Chick Hill, and back to the pit... I'm guessing around 18-20 miles. All good trail. I was only able to track part of it on the GPS. On that ride I bumped into folks from the Airline Club and asked how to get from that area over to trails heading toward Deer and on up to Duck Lake. They said there wasn't a connector. I'm gonna have to go out and do some recon because I'm almost positive that I saw trails heading toward Pickerel and Chick Hill when I was out with my truck around Deer and Duck earlier this spring. Anyone know of trails to do this?

I found the trip around The horse back where you unloaded nice but was rather flustered when I saw that the blue berry fields road was gated where there was an evident trail and markings for atv. Huge gate I couldnt beleive how big this thing was. You can unload on the 23000 rd. I believe that is the Great Pond road and will take you over to the Airline dinner and all the way out around NIctous. Its a great ride. The trail around morrison pond is nice to and you can get there from the 23000 rd. I also a few weeks ago unloaded in Lagrange and hopped on the rail bed to head to schoodic. You can ride the rail bed almost to Jomary on Rt. 11. I find that atv map that I got at the sportsmen show usless as tits on a bull. I was a member of Airline ATV and found I spent money and could never talk to anyone when I needed help or advice. THe clubs are all run by local volunteers and they have full time jobs and families and try to ride once and awhile but around the Old Town area you are just so limited on where you can ride. Umaine has some great trails around campus but dont get caught;):rolleyes:. I think FFjake as nice trials down his way. If you come across trials that are spectaclular we should post them here somewhere so we can all enjoy them.

Good luck. Be prepared to take a wrong turn and have a local game warden give you hell and take everthing you own.:p

bgrffdave
07-03-2008, 11:11 PM
When you say the blueberry field gate are you talking about the one on the Horseback? If that's what you're referring to I ran into that too but... back a bit from that gate the atv trail turns off to the right as you're headed in. If you're talking about another one did you happen to waypoint the gate you ran into or could you give me a rough coord?

We stayed with some friends at a camp not far from the Morrison Ponds recently and we rode from their camp to Chick Hill and back. We didn't have time to explore around the ponds. The 23000 road, if it is actually the Great Pond Road, is only about 2.5 to 3 miles from where we rode and easily accessible from the Horseback loop. I could share the track I made of the Horseback Loop to compare it to where you've been. Those of us proficient with GPS's and sharing info could easily make a map light years faster than will be done otherwise. I appreciate the challenge of people in the clubs doing all the work as volunteers over and above their regular lives. The membership to Airline is only $25/year and I figure just to help out with club costs and trail work that's a fair price. Plus, part of the dues as I understand go to ATV Maine... and if anything is going to get done for ATVers in Maine it's going to take some muscle at that level. It's also been helpful to be able to say I belong to a club when I've talked to clubs from other areas to get info.

As far as bumping into a Warden, I'm not too worried. If I happen to get stopped by one, which is fairly unlikely if you're off the beaten path(s), I'm just going to pull out the state ATV trail map and say, "I'm doing the best I can when this is all I have to work with?"

While riding recently in the area of where we're talking I also saw signs for an outfit called Sustainable Forest Technologies. I later noticed that on the website for Downeast Wilderness Experience their campground map has trails/roads highlighted which I assumed to be ATV trails.
http://www.dwecamping.com/maine-campgrounds.php
The map has the following credit: "Above map is a detail from the Oct. 2006 ATV Trails map managed by Sustainable Forest Technologies".
I'm in the process of trying to find out if I can get a copy of this SFT "map". Contact info for the SFT outfit is a little hard to find but I think I found a phone number today.

brdad
07-04-2008, 07:46 AM
I have an Oziexplorer track file of all the trails I mapped out with my GPSr, covering mostly the area of the Stud Mill Rd to the north, Rt. 9 to the south, Chemo Pond area to the west and Union River to the East. I have a few trails outside that area mapped, but I would gamble I didn't miss much within that area. I confronted some ATV clubs about my maps and they didn't seem too impressed so I never let them have them.

Anyway, I'd be willing to share with any of you three if you'd be interested. I mapped out all trails and roads - no indication or knowledge if they are legal for ATV or not. I'm not sure if I can convert it to other mapping programs, but I can try.

This is the file overlayed onto the Horseback quad map. The trail bgrffdave mentions bypassing the blocked off section of the blueberry fields is shown as well.

http://bytethebullet.com/geocaching/fora/horseback.jpg

firefighterjake
07-04-2008, 10:47 AM
It's good to hear that other people are having trouble telling where trails are and aren't in that area... I'm not crazy!

My wife and I just got our first wheeler this spring... a LONG overdue purchase. I did the recommended thing and joined a club: Airline ATV Riders out in Eddington. In trying to get trail info for a number of areas, including around Chick Hill, I keep getting referred to the State ATV map. If you haven't seen it yet you're in for a disappointment. It's far too lacking in usable detail and doesn't even have parking areas so you could easily learn by exploration. The map itself even says it's more for reference and to contact local clubs. At least 1/3 of the clubs I've contacted say they're working on maps but to get a state map.

In talking with Airline club members recently going up Chick Hill is okay... but... apparently you're not supposed to park and unload in the parking area used by hikers and such now. Folks from the club told me that they unload down on the Stage Coach Road and ride up... where I don't know and up the road or some trail I'm not sure.

A bit off topic but... On a ride last Sunday, in the rain no less, we unloaded on the Stud Mill Road at the Horseback. There is a pit on the right (South side) of the Stud Mill Road. The trail crosses the road at that point and you can make a good little loop by Pickerel Pond, around by/up Chick Hill, and back to the pit... I'm guessing around 18-20 miles. All good trail. I was only able to track part of it on the GPS. On that ride I bumped into folks from the Airline Club and asked how to get from that area over to trails heading toward Deer and on up to Duck Lake. They said there wasn't a connector. I'm gonna have to go out and do some recon because I'm almost positive that I saw trails heading toward Pickerel and Chick Hill when I was out with my truck around Deer and Duck earlier this spring. Anyone know of trails to do this?

Dave . . . see me at work . . . I'm surprised that the Airline Club didn't give you a more detailed map of their trail system which helps out quite a bit. I have an older version . . . supposedly the clubs involved were working on a newer, updated version . . . while this map is old I know for a fact it would be an improvement over the State map.

The problem with the State Map is -- as you discovered -- pretty much worthless except as a guide to figuring out where trails are located and providing some contact information for Clubs. The idea is to look at a map, decide where you want to ride and then to contact that Club to get a more detailed map or riding directions . . . the issue however is trying to hook up with a Club member and the fact that not every Club has readily available maps (for example, we have maps . . . which some members have . . . I have however begun work on a trail-side kiosk which I hope to have stocked with our trail maps, Troy ATV club maps and membership info.)

To be honest, even the State's snowmobile trail map isn't the best . . . it is better than the ATV map, but only because the snowmobile map shows connecting ITS trails which allow you to plot a course from Point A to Point B. The State and ATV Maine are working on developing MAPS -- a numbered routing system that once implemented should allow you to do the same thing -- plot a general course from Point A to Point B. Neither map is detailed enough however to bring you to a specific location such as plot a course from a parking lot at the Airline to Chick Hill.

firefighterjake
07-04-2008, 11:06 AM
. . . I appreciate the challenge of people in the clubs doing all the work as volunteers over and above their regular lives. The membership to Airline is only $25/year and I figure just to help out with club costs and trail work that's a fair price. Plus, part of the dues as I understand go to ATV Maine... and if anything is going to get done for ATVers in Maine it's going to take some muscle at that level. It's also been helpful to be able to say I belong to a club when I've talked to clubs from other areas to get info.

As far as bumping into a Warden, I'm not too worried. If I happen to get stopped by one, which is fairly unlikely if you're off the beaten path(s), I'm just going to pull out the state ATV trail map and say, "I'm doing the best I can when this is all I have to work with?"
. . .

I know no one is complaining about the trails and it has been said, but as an active club member of two Clubs (President of one) I too will say that opening and maintenance of a trail system is much more complex than simply going out and hanging a few signs. There is most definitely a time and cost factor . . . and then things like real work, house work, remodeling work and . . . yes . . . even those urges to go geocaching get in the way. Personally I work hard to try to balance the urge to ride the ATV with the urge to work on the trails . . . and of course the need to work for a living, work around the house, etc.

Many folks don't realize that opening a trail and maintaining those trails is a challenge. You must speak with landowners and get permission (verbal is allowed, but written is better). Trails must then be blazed, bridges built when necessary (and lumber purchased), signs must be placed (and I find that there's never enough since locals always tend to either assume that the trail is obvious since they know where the trail goes or locals forget to sign the trail going both ways) and then in future years brush must be cut back, signs replaced, wash-outs fixed, etc. . . . needless to say with volunteerism down in every area and folks so busy in the summer and fall it's a challenge to get everything done . . . and then there's the paperwork for grants, club incorporation, club membership with the State, club membership with ATV Maine, DEP permits, etc.

Not griping . . . just explaining that when trails are not signed as good as they should be . . . or maps aren't available . . . or trails are a bit rough . . . it may be due to the fact that some Clubs are struggling to do what they can with who they have.

To explain the breakdown of club membership . . . $10 from each membership goes to ATV Maine (and the Club kicks in an additional flat rate fee of either $50 or $100 -- I forget the exact ammount) -- a truly worthwhile organization that represents Maine ATVers interests on the State-level (this group is akin to Snowmobiler's Maine Snowmobile Association). I cannot say enough good things about ATV Maine as they helped guide us in forming and attended countless public meetings with Selectmen and town residents . . . in addition they are on the forefront of ATV legislation and serve as a highly visible Public Relations function.

In the two Clubs that I belong to we only charge $15 for a single membership, $20 for a family membership which means that the Club itself only gets $5 and $10 from each single/family membership after paying ATV Maine. Again, it is well worth the small cost . . . but be aware that Club memberships alone will not usually sustain a Club's expenses. While the Club is reimbursed for some expenses (lumber for bridges, work done on trails, etc.) and signs and advice are free there are some additional expenses (ATV Access route signs are not reimbursed, mailings to members, etc.) In Thorndike Trail Blazers ATV Club we are fortunate, last year all adult members that had worked on their trail were to be reimbursed . . . and all of them willingly donated their check to the Club. This resulted in a two-fold benefit . . . trail work was done and the Club had some money in the fund. This year I'm hoping that we can "pay" back some of these club members by hosting a dinner or Christmas party as a small way of thanking everyone for their help.

Final thought . . . the wardens I've run into down on the Sunrise Trail are wicked nice and accomodating . . . something the warden in my area who has said on more than one occasion that he "hates" ATVs could learn from. The last time I rode down there two went by in a pick-up and never stopped to check registrations or anything. Last year or the year before when I went to Cherryfield we stopped (without being asked) by two gamewardens in a pick-up who said the trail system there was a godsend as it was keeping people off the blueberry barrens and woods roads where folks had complained in the past. I wouldn't worry too much about the game wardens.

bgrffdave
07-07-2008, 09:54 PM
brdad: If you're willing to share I'll gladly accept. I'll PM you with my address. I've got a bunch of programs so I should be able to make do with a number of formats. GPX would be the easiest but I've got Mapsource, Topo USA, Terrain Navigator, Google Earth, and if all else fails... GPSBabel works wonders! I'll gladly return the favor when I've got something to offer... LOL!

FirefighterJake: Holy tons of info Batman! Where do I begin....?

As I started to learn about how the "system" works now I quickly became surprised that so much gets done. Airline charges $25/year and I'm considering just sending them $50. It would still be a deal. I can't imagine how hard it must be to not only keep a local club going but get done all that needs to be done. From what little I've seen I would second the comments about ATV Maine. While I'm sure there are the nay-sayers that believe ATV Maine either hasn't done anything right or could do this or that SO much better, having a strong and visible organization at the state level is the only way to move the mountains that prevent further expansion of ATV recreation. Now if only more clubs would get their info updated on the ATV Maine site so you don't have to dig so hard to find club sites and the info they contain.

As a newbie in the ATV world, knowing that there are all these great trails around and not having a good map to go by is maddening! "Acceptable" parking spots with the mileage of trails accessible from each would be a good start. I've tried to reach out to a few of the clubs nearest me and my email response rate is about 50% something / 50% nothing. As far as maps in general, I've got a couple thoughts as to what may be going on. In a lot of cases, after talking with some folks from different clubs, it sounds like a case of no one in the club having all the skills to get a map created. One may be able to use a GPS but not know how to track or get the track file onto the computer. Even if they can do that they may not have any idea how to clean it up and create a reproducible map... or have the software to do it.

Airline sending me a state map was kind of a shock. They were rumored to be working with most of the clubs East of them on one complete map... imagine! I talked to Airline reps at the Sportsmen's Show in Orono and the guy working on the map project (along with everything else in his life I'm sure) showed me all the info in the computer. If I could only get a copy of that file!! He was using a couple different programs as he didn't know that either one would do everything he needed. I tried to offer some quick pointers with the crowd wandering through. He had an 8 1/2 x 11 printout for an example but it covered nearly everything from Eddington to Calais... far too small to be useful. He said they hoped to have a map done by this summer. Apparently not yet...

While I can only dream of being able to load club trail tracks into my GPS, in this day and age I can see a huge risk to letting the actual track data get out. A great fund raiser for the club could be to sell good trail maps to non-members. If clubs were to let the actual trail data get out anyone could compile a bunch of data and sell a map with the club(s) getting absolutely nothing. Some of the clubs have started posting maps online in graphic format which is very helpful... depending on the quality of the map. I've seen some good and some, well... let's not go there.

As far as the wardens... nothing against them but cops can be cops. Hearing that a warden "hates" ATVs doesn't surprise me any more than hearing a street cop say he "hates" motorcycles. I would expect most of them to be reasonable when they find you a bit from where you should be if you're legitimately off track and not doing something you truly shouldn't be.

firefighterjake
07-08-2008, 07:49 AM
. . .
As I started to learn about how the "system" works now I quickly became surprised that so much gets done. Airline charges $25/year and I'm considering just sending them $50. It would still be a deal. I can't imagine how hard it must be to not only keep a local club going but get done all that needs to be done. From what little I've seen I would second the comments about ATV Maine. While I'm sure there are the nay-sayers that believe ATV Maine either hasn't done anything right or could do this or that SO much better, having a strong and visible organization at the state level is the only way to move the mountains that prevent further expansion of ATV recreation. Now if only more clubs would get their info updated on the ATV Maine site so you don't have to dig so hard to find club sites and the info they contain.

As a newbie in the ATV world, knowing that there are all these great trails around and not having a good map to go by is maddening! "Acceptable" parking spots with the mileage of trails accessible from each would be a good start. I've tried to reach out to a few of the clubs nearest me and my email response rate is about 50% something / 50% nothing. As far as maps in general, I've got a couple thoughts as to what may be going on. In a lot of cases, after talking with some folks from different clubs, it sounds like a case of no one in the club having all the skills to get a map created. One may be able to use a GPS but not know how to track or get the track file onto the computer. Even if they can do that they may not have any idea how to clean it up and create a reproducible map... or have the software to do it.

Airline sending me a state map was kind of a shock. They were rumored to be working with most of the clubs East of them on one complete map... imagine! I talked to Airline reps at the Sportsmen's Show in Orono and the guy working on the map project (along with everything else in his life I'm sure) showed me all the info in the computer. If I could only get a copy of that file!! He was using a couple different programs as he didn't know that either one would do everything he needed. I tried to offer some quick pointers with the crowd wandering through. He had an 8 1/2 x 11 printout for an example but it covered nearly everything from Eddington to Calais... far too small to be useful. He said they hoped to have a map done by this summer. Apparently not yet...

While I can only dream of being able to load club trail tracks into my GPS, in this day and age I can see a huge risk to letting the actual track data get out. A great fund raiser for the club could be to sell good trail maps to non-members. If clubs were to let the actual trail data get out anyone could compile a bunch of data and sell a map with the club(s) getting absolutely nothing. Some of the clubs have started posting maps online in graphic format which is very helpful... depending on the quality of the map. I've seen some good and some, well... let's not go there.

As far as the wardens... nothing against them but cops can be cops. Hearing that a warden "hates" ATVs doesn't surprise me any more than hearing a street cop say he "hates" motorcycles. I would expect most of them to be reasonable when they find you a bit from where you should be if you're legitimately off track and not doing something you truly shouldn't be.

Dave, Dave, Dave . . . my young ATVing grasshopper . . . have you learned nothing? ;):D

Keep the $50 . . . just pay the $25 dues. However, if you really want to help offer up your time and experience. Honestly, I would love to have half the members in our Club (not that we're overly large) if the half remaining were active and willing to spend time signing the trail, brushing the trail, creating new trails, talking to landowners, talking to Selectmen, build bridges, etc . . . and that doesn't even touch on my "dream list" -- projects that I would love to see our Club do some day such as create a website with posted maps, donate time to the Town by running a rock rake down gravel roads where we don't have trails as a way of thanking the towns people for giving us permission to use some of the other roads as Access Routes, etc.

If you are able to donate some time signing these trails . . . or even better offer up your time and experience in making their map a reality or by getting a website going it would be far, far better than an additional $25 for the Club. Now I should caution you . . . not all Clubs and all members are going to be receptive to a new guy coming in and wanting to help in this manner. Some folks get defensive as you might surmise or will think the new guy will just cost the Club more money or that he will not carry through . . . however I suspect many, if not most, Clubs will throw the proverbial ball into your court and see what you can do.

As you said . . . and I suspect . . . most Clubs either don't have members with the skills to create viable maps or set up websites, don't have the time or don't have the money . . . or it's a combination of all three. For example, setting up a website with good maps will hopefully be done at some point . . . but I don't have any members who are capable of doing this (I just don't have the time) and when it comes to time and money . . . well let's just say I have several bridges to build that will come before building a website.

Now about that map . . . the map I have is a bit older. Originally got it from Dave (not you . . . Double D). This map is much larger than 8 x 12. What I ended up doing to make this map more useful was cut it up, scan it with my color scanner and then laminate it and tape it together . . . it's not perfect, but it is much better than before as it is now "trail tough."

bgrffdave
07-08-2008, 11:02 AM
I guess my first step would be to go to a meeting and see what's really needed. I haven't been able to since I joined either due to my work schedule getting in the way or being out of town.

bgrffdave
07-08-2008, 06:56 PM
brdad: Thanks for the file. GPSBabel had a heck of a time with that thing. It spit out a GPX file that looked like I dumped a pile of spaghetti on a map! Thanks to an online converter I found that turns plt files into Google Earth KML files, and then GPSBabel, I'm in business.

hollora
07-08-2008, 07:39 PM
Whew - techie son - I am amazed.

For all of you who may think about coming to the Apres Last Cache Bashe in Sept. I will have my wifi open so you may all do this stuff and talk to your hearts desires on the deck!

brdad
07-08-2008, 08:20 PM
brdad: Thanks for the file. GPSBabel had a heck of a time with that thing. It spit out a GPX file that looked like I dumped a pile of spaghetti on a map! Thanks to an online converter I found that turns plt files into Google Earth KML files, and then GPSBabel, I'm in business.

Very cool - care to share the URL of the converter and/or email the KML file? I'd like to see what it looks like in Google Earth. The last time I tried to convert it, I got spaghetti too! With meatballs and Sausage!

I am not surprised it was a mess, there are many separate track files in that one file. It took me a good chunk of a summer to map it all out.

hollora
07-08-2008, 08:29 PM
Very cool - care to share the URL of the converter and/or email the KML file? I'd like to see what it looks like in Google Earth. The last time I tried to convert it, I got spaghetti too! With meatballs and Sausage!

I am not surprised it was a mess, there are many separate track files in that one file. It took me a good chunk of a summer to map it all out.

Hey BRDad - if he doesn't respond - let me know - I will bump him. He has a crazy work schedule and I know is on this site spasmotically. Just let me know if you don't get an answer back.

bgrffdave
07-09-2008, 05:03 PM
brdad: Here's the address for the site that can convert Ozi plt files to GE kml files. Don't ask me how I found it because I'm still not sure.
http://www.gpslib.net/services/OziTrack-to-GoogleEarth-Track/
Email of the file was just sent too. Once I got it in GE I could save it from there as a gpx that didn't look like spaghetti.

This little exercise showed me that consolidating/combining gps tracks is NO WHERE near as easy as I thought it would be. For those dabbling in this area I came across a program called TopoFusion. It's free download is the most usable nearly unlimited demo I've ever seen. It has a couple neat features that allow combining and simplifying (read point reduction) of multiple gps tracks... better than anything I've seen so far. That being said I've yet to come across one program that has all the tools needed in one package.

Back along the lines of the original thread... anyone come across an "authorized" atv trail link between the trails that surround Chick Hill and the nice long loop that is the Airline Snack Bar, Duck Lake, and beyond?

bgrffdave
07-19-2008, 10:31 PM
Wandering from the topic again...

Anyone wanted one of those Kolpin flat fuel packs and just about choked on the nearly $100 price tag? They now have competition!

Check out this company:
www.rotopax.com (http://www.rotopax.com)

They offer both a single, flat, 4 gallon container (much like Kolpin's) AND smaller 2 gallon containers. The 2 gallon cans can be stored separately or be locked together to form a single 4 gallon container. To top that, they offer the 2 gallon containers in a number of other colors so you could chose to pack 1 fuel/1 water or any combo you can think of; red (fuel), dark blue (diesel), light blue (water), yellow (kerosene), and mixed gas (green). Someone did a little market research and creative thinking!!

** The coupon deal I had mentioned here is no longer available**
These are still a great product and a direct competitor for Kolpin with, I think, some better features.

dí76
07-19-2008, 10:36 PM
Wandering from the topic again...

Anyone wanted one of those Kolpin flat fuel packs and just about choked on the nearly $100 price tag? They now have competition!

Check out this company:
www.rotopax.com (http://www.rotopax.com)

They offer both a single, flat, 4 gallon container (much like Kolpin's) AND smaller 2 gallon containers. The 2 gallon cans can be stored separately or be locked together to form a single 4 gallon container. To top that, they offer the 2 gallon containers in a number of other colors so you could chose to pack 1 fuel/1 water or any combo you can think of; red (fuel), dark blue (diesel), light blue (water), yellow (kerosene), and mixed gas (green). Someone did a little market research and creative thinking!!

Now, here's the secret... I've found a coupon code that gives you 50% off!!
(In the shopping cart use coupon code 69050)

I just couldn't pass up a fuel pack like that for $50 shipped and wanted to share this opportunity. I don't know how long the coupon will be good but if you're interested, give it a shot and good luck!


Nice to meet you guys tonight. Its a gorgous place you have out there. I have one of those fuel cells very similar to those only I got mine from Automtic dist. It works awesome along with the siphon hose with the marble in it, its a great rig. I think mine holds either 2.5 or 3 gallons. I have only had to use it a few times. But that much riding can be hard on the body. LOL

firefighterjake
07-21-2008, 07:51 AM
Wandering from the topic again...

Anyone wanted one of those Kolpin flat fuel packs and just about choked on the nearly $100 price tag? They now have competition!

Check out this company:
www.rotopax.com (http://www.rotopax.com)

They offer both a single, flat, 4 gallon container (much like Kolpin's) AND smaller 2 gallon containers. The 2 gallon cans can be stored separately or be locked together to form a single 4 gallon container. To top that, they offer the 2 gallon containers in a number of other colors so you could chose to pack 1 fuel/1 water or any combo you can think of; red (fuel), dark blue (diesel), light blue (water), yellow (kerosene), and mixed gas (green). Someone did a little market research and creative thinking!!

Now, here's the secret... I've found a coupon code that gives you 50% off!!
(In the shopping cart use coupon code 69050)

I just couldn't pass up a fuel pack like that for $50 shipped and wanted to share this opportunity. I don't know how long the coupon will be good but if you're interested, give it a shot and good luck!

I'm a real cheap . . . I mean frugal . . . Yankee. I bought a couple of small gas tanks (about 1 or 2 gallons in size). While I don't ordinarily ride with them I will pack them along on longer rides. I stick them in my front, custom-built (but built cheaply by my cousin) basket. To keep them from sloshing around I bungy them down and use some foam pool noodles that I have cut apart. It actually works pretty well.

hollora
07-21-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm a real cheap . . . I mean frugal . . . Yankee. I bought a couple of small gas tanks (about 1 or 2 gallons in size). While I don't ordinarily ride with them I will pack them along on longer rides. I stick them in my front, custom-built (but built cheaply by my cousin) basket. To keep them from sloshing around I bungy them down and use some foam pool noodles that I have cut apart. It actually works pretty well.

Someone told me they saw you picking those noodles up off the side of I-95! LOL:D

firefighterjake
07-22-2008, 07:45 AM
Someone told me they saw you picking those noodles up off the side of I-95! LOL:D

Well I would hesitate to do such a thing due to the inherent danger of all those fast-moving vehicles . . . but maybe if it was off the side of Rt. 9. ;):D

bgrffdave
07-28-2008, 04:06 PM
Sorry folks... the coupon deal for those fuel packs is over.

hollora
07-28-2008, 05:21 PM
Sorry folks... the coupon deal for those fuel packs is over.

Kinda like slick deals.com; woot and many others - snooze you loose. Thanks for posting.

Woot - maybe that's an idea for a thread - GeoFolks - Deals of Interest........