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hide_from_the_kids
08-09-2009, 12:24 PM
With the 2009 coin at mint and it should be on sale soon we should start thinking about if we want a 2011 coin. We have all seen how long it takes for a group to agree on several aspects for a coin and then we all know how long it takes for art work and approvals to take especially when dealing with a group.

So to andy a big thank you for putting up with all the headaches.

So lets get our thoughts and ideas out so if we want a 2011 coin we can get a jump on it.

Ekidokai
08-09-2009, 01:08 PM
Sounds good to me. Looking around on here before I noticed that there were some designs that had been submitted that I liked a lot. We might already have a head start on one.

hide_from_the_kids
08-09-2009, 02:43 PM
There are some good ideas here. Lets see if people are going to want to do ANOTHER COIN and take in some more ideas as well.

pm28570
08-09-2009, 06:53 PM
I certainly would like to see a 2011 coin. I think reducing the number of people involved and streamlining the process would be a great start.



So lets get our thoughts and ideas out so if we want a 2011 coin we can get a jump on it.

hide_from_the_kids
08-09-2009, 07:25 PM
i certainly would like to see a 2011 coin. I think reducing the number of people involved and streamlining the process would be a great start.
it is hard to reduce the number of people involved when we make decisions as a group. Maybe a committee of five or seven might be the answer. But then you have to get volunteers and that has to be approved and then ultimately you still have to answer to the group. The board members are here to help and guide they shouldn't have to make a decision on it. So by starting now we should be able to meet the year 2011 with a coin.

Trick or Treat
08-09-2009, 08:36 PM
Is there a link to past submissions?

hide_from_the_kids
08-09-2009, 10:40 PM
Is there a link to past submissions?
http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3241
try this it was the thread for the 2008 coin which is now the 2009 coin

Trick or Treat
08-09-2009, 11:20 PM
There are some good ones there. Thanks for the link.

WhereRWe?
08-10-2009, 06:52 AM
it is hard to reduce the number of people involved when we make decisions as a group. Maybe a committee of five or seven might be the answer. But then you have to get volunteers and that has to be approved and then ultimately you still have to answer to the group. The board members are here to help and guide they shouldn't have to make a decision on it. So by starting now we should be able to meet the year 2011 with a coin.

The Advisory Board was established for just the purpose you stated - to make decisions for GeocachingMaine.org. Saying that "they shouldn't have to make a decision on it" is incorrect. :D:D

pm28570
08-10-2009, 08:19 AM
I agree. My view is use a small committee (3-5 people), set and keep deadlines and give it to the board for a decision. Can members get involved? Of course. Open it up, discuss and then decide, staying within a deadline.



The Advisory Board was established for just the purpose you stated - to make decisions for GeocachingMaine.org. Saying that "they shouldn't have to make a decision on it" is incorrect. :D:D

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 09:47 AM
I believe what you need is a " Dead Line"

1. Entries - 1 month

2. Votes - 1 week

3.Winner - as is no changes

But the magic would be Sticking to the dead line AND have pics sent to vender That Day.
And Posting Progress at least once a week, wether there is news or not.

Opalsns

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 09:49 AM
The Advisory Board was established for just the purpose you stated - to make decisions for GeocachingMaine.org. Saying that "they shouldn't have to make a decision on it" is incorrect. :D:D
i was told (by board members)that the advisory board was there to help and that the group were to make the decisions. unless the group couldn't then the board would step in.

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 10:11 AM
The Board members need to step in to keep things on track! IMO

If you'll look back to that 2008 coin that was changed to a 2009 coin was voted on Last Year.
On 11-16-2008 Trick or Treat asked if there was any news on the coin and Sudonim said he was finding out about cost.

On May 4, 2009 waiting on prices or finishes??

The coin was voted on in a timely manner, but it seems the actual Production of this coin has been ongoing since November 2008 ??????????????

Maybe that vendor is too busy and another vendor should be used ?

Just a Thought

Opalsns

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 10:59 AM
The Board members need to step in to keep things on track! IMO

If you'll look back to that 2008 coin that was changed to a 2009 coin was voted on Last Year.
On 11-16-2008 Trick or Treat asked if there was any news on the coin and Sudonim said he was finding out about cost.

On May 4, 2009 waiting on prices or finishes??

The coin was voted on in a timely manner, but it seems the actual Production of this coin has been ongoing since November 2008 ??????????????

Maybe that vendor is too busy and another vendor should be used ?

Just a Thought

Opalsns
when dealing with a group it is going to take longer. Sudonim has done a great job with everthing he has done for the coin. alot of the time used on the coin was for making sure the coin was how it was designed.
by starting a thread now and getting input on a 2011 coin was the first step in making this move along.

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 11:45 AM
Well Gee Wiz,
Thanx for letting me have an opinion!!!!!!!
Nobody said SudIe did a bad job, how can you screw up sending in a photo to a vender.
When an opinion on the coin was given, It was knocked down, so there was no hold up in changing it!!!!
The only thing changed was the color interpretaion on the front and that was fixed.
We've been waiting for this coin since last year. It's in the threads.
There were only 5 entries and a handful of voters, compared to the list of possible voters. Not some massive group of Undecided!
Sheesh ... smiley face, smiley face, smiley face.

I nominate Hide From The Kids to Help Sudonim Handle the 2011 coin.

attroll
08-10-2009, 11:58 AM
There was a lot more that went on behind the scenes that you and others probably do not realize.

Once the coin was agreed upon then the person or persons that submitted the coin needed to convey everything that they wanted done on the coin. The photo shows the basic coin design on our web site but the detail was something that was a problem with this last coin design. We went back and forth quit a few times to make sure the vendor understood exactly what we wanted. There was a problem at first trying to convey the metal texture.

Hide from the Kids was involved in the last coin because it was his design that the coin was chosen from.

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 12:15 PM
There was a lot more that went on behind the scenes that you and others probably do not realize.

Once the coin was agreed upon then the person or persons that submitted the coin needed to convey everything that they wanted done on the coin. The photo shows the basic coin design on our web site but the detail was something that was a problem with this last coin design. We went back and forth quit a few times to make sure the vendor understood exactly what we wanted. There was a problem at first trying to convey the metal texture.

Hide from the Kids was involved in the last coin because it was his design that the coin was chosen from.

Hi Rick,
I know what goes on behind the curtains, We've had 2 coins made since this one was thought of and have our 3rd in the works. And there were many emails back and forth for our designs and colors.My brother and I didn't agree on everything. It is only as difficult as it's made to be. I only nominated HFTK because he seems to know all about it.
I know it was their coin. Everone knows it's their design!
There wasn't a problem once someone sent the pic of the metal, right???
And my point on giving a weekly update could help avoid these discussions.
And when you say "We went back and forth quitE a few times," Do you mean There were more than just Sudonim emailing the vender?????????? Wow !

Opalsns

attroll
08-10-2009, 12:23 PM
Sudonim would email the vendor and then have to get back to Hike From The Kids and me to verify that the design was what it was intended it to be. The vendor had a hard time matching the metal texture that we wanted. Then there was also the fact that Sudonim had a very busy work schedule and was gone for a month amoung other things.

It is always easy for other people to criticize what other people do. We are lucky Sudonim is willing to do this for us. No one else has volunteered or stepped up to do this. It seems like everyone wants something done but no one wants to be step forward to do it or help do it. It is always the same individuals and I can not speak for them but it gets a little old after a while.

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 12:34 PM
No One Else Volunteered? Are You Seriuos??????
I Volunteered to have people send me pics and I would post them for folks all at the same time for fair viewing, YOU said you didn't know why that would have to be done.
And there were SEVERAL other volunteers but folks said that Sudonim had been doing it and could handle it.
I'm not Criticizing anyone, so don't say I am.
I'm making a valid point.
Hey Rick,
WHO are all THE SAME INDIVIDUALS that are making things OLD for you??????

See, Folks say Stupid things like THAT , That make problems on this site. I didn't insult anyone, but you just did.

Now you want Volunteers, ...

I'LL VOLUNTEER TO HELP GET THE 2011 COIN TO PRODUCTION,
Anyone else?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

Opalsns

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 12:44 PM
Sudonim would email the vendor and then have to get back to Hike From The Kids and me to verify that the design was what it was intended it to be. The vendor had a hard time matching the metal texture that we wanted. Then there was also the fact that Sudonim had a very busy work schedule and was gone for a month amoung other things.

It is always easy for other people to criticize what other people do. We are lucky Sudonim is willing to do this for us. No one else has volunteered or stepped up to do this. It seems like everyone wants something done but no one wants to be step forward to do it or help do it. It is always the same individuals and I can not speak for them but it gets a little old after a while.
i agree without andy who would be willing to put up their own money and time to make this happen. if i had the money i would volunteer to do the same but it would take me a lot longer as i would do my best to make sure all the t's were crossed and i's were dotted because i would not be just doing it to satisfy myself but to satisfy all the members that i represented. and that would take a lot of time.





now lets move on to the 2011 coin. we will start a poll to see if people want one. rick how long should the poll last? i was thinking 2 weeks.

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 12:51 PM
No One Else Volunteered? Are You Seriuos??????
I Volunteered to have people send me pics and I would post them for folks all at the same time for fair viewing, YOU said you didn't know why that would have to be done.
And there were SEVERAL other volunteers but folks said that Sudonim had been doing it and could handle it.
I'm not Criticizing anyone, so don't say I am.
I'm making a valid point.
Hey Rick,
WHO are all THE SAME INDIVIDUALS that are making things OLD for you??????

See, Folks say Stupid things like THAT , That make problems on this site. I didn't insult anyone, but you just did.

Now you want Volunteers, ...

I'LL VOLUNTEER TO HELP GET THE 2011 COIN TO PRODUCTION,
Anyone else?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

Opalsns
are you willing to put up your own money? the site does not have the funds to do a coin it has always come out of sudonim's pocket. then he gets it back when the coins are sold. can you wait that long for the return?

Haffy
08-10-2009, 01:03 PM
One other thing to remember too is that this site does the coin as a not for profit enterprise and if there is any money left over which I doubt there has been any, it is used to fund the site. I doubt that Andy has ever seen any profit from this. With the extra LE coin that is being worked on I think the profit will go towards the site time around. Correct me if I am wrong.

attroll
08-10-2009, 01:05 PM
I didn't insult anyone, but you just did.

Now you want Volunteers, ...

I'LL VOLUNTEER TO HELP GET THE 2011 COIN TO PRODUCTION,
Anyone else?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

Opalsns

I was not insulting you. You need to slow down and take your time and read what I just said. Here is what I said if that helps.

"It is always easy for other people to criticize what other people do".

I nowhere pointed a finger at you unless you feel guilty. I was talking about people in general.

You know what. You need to stop reading to deeply into things other people say. That has caused you problems here on this web site in the past and now you are doing it again.

I am done responding to you. I have polity tried to explain what the holdup was and why it took so long. I explained that it was not a web site thing like coordinating the posting of photos. It was the behind the scenes stuff after the design was picked. You say you understand but obviously you do not.

I don't understand why you also come here and have to be argumentative when ever someone tried to explain something.

This is only a geocoin. No ones life depends on it.

I wish I could say it was fun talking to you but I have had enough of your tactics.

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 01:16 PM
One other thing to remember too is that this site does the coin as a not for profit enterprise and if there is any money left over which I doubt there has been any, it is used to fund the site. I doubt that Andy has ever seen any profit from this. With the extra LE coin that is being worked on I think the profit will go towards the site time around. Correct me if I am wrong.
you are correct

pm28570
08-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Rick, Andy and Jamie, more than happy to assist on a 2011 coin.



I agree. My view is use a small committee (3-5 people), set and keep deadlines and give it to the board for a decision. Can members get involved? Of course. Open it up, discuss and then decide, staying within a deadline.

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 02:08 PM
I was not insulting you. You need to slow down and take your time and read what I just said. Here is what I said if that helps.

"It is always easy for other people to criticize what other people do".

I nowhere pointed a finger at you unless you feel guilty. I was talking about people in general.

You know what. You need to stop reading to deeply into things other people say. That has caused you problems here on this web site in the past and now you are doing it again.

I am done responding to you. I have polity tried to explain what the holdup was and why it took so long. I explained that it was not a web site thing like coordinating the posting of photos. It was the behind the scenes stuff after the design was picked. You say you understand but obviously you do not.

I don't understand why you also come here and have to be argumentative when ever someone tried to explain something.

This is only a geocoin. No ones life depends on it.

I wish I could say it was fun talking to you but I have had enough of your tactics.

Tactics???? !!!!!!
You didn't point a finger, You Lie, you said The SAME PEOPLE MAKING IT OLD.That's not pointing a finger????
I didn't argue , I made a point, said my opinion , but noone let's me have it.As soon as I post,Some one comes after me. I wasn't causing probs, You Were!!! You and the other 3 or 4 , gang up like a pack of wild dogs.

I'm a good person that does alot for people, I give away coins left and right and help support events. I've dealt with Cancer and saw it take my mother, and young Brother-in-law, I had a child that had learning disabilities. Lost my Dad to cancer and am dealing with Diabeties. I take care of stray and Wild animals. I'm a good Person!!!!!

RETURN MY MONEY TO PAYPAL. !!!!!! And I'll leave,I have already taken all my things off your website!!!Then you can find someoneelse to knock down to make you feel
powerful.
What's so small on you that you have to make yourself look so big????????


AND IT"S ONLY ABOUT 4 PEOPLE ON HERE THAT have treated me bad, And those "Holyer than thous " know who they are!!!!The rest of you are AWESOME People with big hearts.I thank You for all your supporting emails and I wish you luck in your futures.


RETURN MY MONEY To PAYPAL NOW and I'll go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Opalsns
08-10-2009, 02:15 PM
are you willing to put up your own money? The site does not have the funds to do a coin it has always come out of sudonim's pocket. Then he gets it back when the coins are sold. Can you wait that long for the return?


not now!!!!!!!!!!!

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 02:18 PM
If this thread does not stop being personal then it will be closed. If i close this thread i will start another for the 2011 coin but it will be closed as well if it gets turned into what this one has. Now lets get on topic.

Team V3
08-10-2009, 02:23 PM
Hey, I hate to see any bickering on here. Also hate the thought of anyone leaving the site. The thing I like best about this place is the people... ALL of the people.

Mainiac1957
08-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Personal things should be conveyed through PM's and emails. Not here.

WhereRWe?
08-10-2009, 04:24 PM
i was told (by board members)that the advisory board was there to help and that the group were to make the decisions. unless the group couldn't then the board would step in.

Yup. That's what I said. :D:D

WhereRWe?
08-10-2009, 04:32 PM
RULost2? and I are in New Hampshire for a couple of days of shopping/geocaching/shopping, etc. The weather is great, I've got some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale on ice, so after reading the messages in this thread and being mighty tempted to say someone, I'm gonna just say that if Andy needs any help, I'll be glad to assist. Now I'm going to open a beer and go on to something else. :D:D

hide_from_the_kids
08-10-2009, 08:32 PM
because of the topic not being of the purpose of the thread i am closing this thread a new one will be open soon to discuss the 2011 coin.