View Full Version : Pocket Queries now include cache attributes!



brdad
11-06-2009, 10:05 PM
PQs from gc.com now include attributes, which was desired by many since they were introduced. The newest installment of GSAK (http://gsak.net/board/index.php?showtopic=12781&view=findpost&p=89562) has macro support for it, and I would imagine in the not too distant future you will be able to filter for them as well.I would imagine attributes will be showing up soon on all the Geocaching enabled GPSrs as well.

And of course, I will have to see if I can implement them into the stats as well!

A simple macro which allows you to filter via macro has been created already by lignumaqua. http://gsak.net/board/index.php?showtopic=13361&view=findpost&p=89638

http://gsak.net/screenshots/2f500291a62b3cf0596f5e1c65ff883d.png

Gob-ler
11-06-2009, 10:50 PM
A nice feature, but I have been getting the attributes with my alerts for quite some time now and when the new alerts are loaded into GSAK the attributes are there already.

brdad
11-06-2009, 11:09 PM
A nice feature, but I have been getting the attributes with my alerts for quite some time now and when the new alerts are loaded into GSAK the attributes are there already.

I think that's because it is pulling the arrributes from the HTML pages, not via PQ. Since I don't use it, I'm not that knowledgeable about it, but I am assuming you cannot filter by it?

Of course, when you find every cache as it's published, who needs to see how many caches of a certain attribute are nearby! :D

squirrelcache
11-07-2009, 08:02 AM
And attributes don't do you a bit of good if the C.O. doesn't list them!? :( We've been noticing this when it comes to finding caches which are fairly safe during hunting season. And some of you guys boohoo micros in the city!? lol

cano
11-07-2009, 10:00 AM
Quick park & grab attribute is still missing. :) Anyway most people are not able to assign correct attributes or waypoints to the cache so I made my own tagging system. I will just post a note to your cache with all the attributes I need. Like this {WP TpJC3XZa Trailhead} I taught my GPS to understand this notes. Tag above means waypoint at N44.864655, W68.740387 with name Trailhead :)

brdad
11-07-2009, 10:14 AM
And attributes don't do you a bit of good if the C.O. doesn't list them!? :( We've been noticing this when it comes to finding caches which are fairly safe during hunting season. And some of you guys boohoo micros in the city!? lol

Would the hunting attribute help much anyway, since there is no "no hunting" attribute? This is one of the things I find is odd because one would think cachers would be more interested in caches with no hunting allowed than those with hunting.

I'll have to see what % of active caches have attributes listed when I get my PQs for the stats.

As far as boohooing micros in the city, I have always been more afraid of getting shot in the city then I have in the woods any time of year!

brdad
11-07-2009, 10:29 AM
I do not think people are not able to assign correct attributes to caches, I think they just all have their individual priorities. Those that have kids are more likely to highlight that attribute, and so on for dog owners, ATVers, and disabled people.

I don't think I have the hunting attribute assigned to any of my caches, mostly because I think you can generally expect hunting to be allowed most anywhere in Maine short of populated areas and parks (assuming landowner permission). I do, however have the "takes more than an hour" on some of them because I think that is important to know on those caches. I think the 'Wheelchair accessible" should be one of the definite attributes to include if it is indeed wheelchair accessible. I didn't post the "Not wheelchair accessible" on my rural caches because the terrain should imply that, but because Old470 is only a 1.5 terrain, I placed it on there to give fair warning.

squirrelcache
11-07-2009, 11:31 AM
Would the hunting attribute help much anyway, since there is no "no hunting" attribute? ......... I have always been more afraid of getting shot in the city then I have in the woods any time of year!

If a preserve or such offers hunting....and someone lists that...it can be a big help.

As to fear of getting shot in the city vs. woods......true that....atleast w/the Bright orange hunters...you Know they're carrying w/an intent for a target other than you.

brdad
11-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Surprising (to me, anyway) - 3837 of our 4923 available caches (78%) have some attributes attached to them. I expected much less. Those caches share a total of 22,727 attributes, which calculates to about 6 attributes per cache average.

Which attributes are most common in Maine caches?
This is just simple list using attribute names - not whether it is a NO or YES, so the count for the attribute "Dogs" for example, counts both the caches with attributes that say dogs are allowed as well as those that say dogs are not allowed.

Attname Count(aId)
Takes less than an hour 2642
Dogs 1958
Recommended for kids 1911
Parking available 1883
Available during winter 1801
Available at all times 1764
Bicycles 1265
Scenic view 1260
Stealth required 933
Wheelchair accessible 699
Motorcycles 651
Snowmobiles 540
Quads 520
Ticks 484
Recommended at night 440
Needs maintenance 419
Off-road vehicles 409
Stroller accessible 394
Picnic tables nearby 313
Public restrooms nearby 306
Significant hike 261
Hunting 255
Campfires 236
Thorns 182
Horses 152
Camping available 149
Poison plants 124
Boat 105
Drinking water nearby 102
Cliff / falling rocks 88
Difficult climbing 83
May require wading 73
Telephone nearby 66
Access or parking fee 57
Dangerous area 55
Snakes 43
Public transportation 37
Watch for livestock 29
May require swimming 14
Abandoned mines 13
Flashlight required 9
Scuba gear 2

Haffy
11-09-2009, 10:36 PM
The most surprising one to me is the one for snakes. Now where I live now I have seen many snakes but only one poisonous one and that one I saw before I reached down to get the cache fortunately. A small copperhead,just moved it away from the cache with a stick before I went in for the cache.

brdad
11-10-2009, 06:52 AM
The most surprising one to me is the one for snakes. Now where I live now I have seen many snakes but only one poisonous one and that one I saw before I reached down to get the cache fortunately. A small copperhead,just moved it away from the cache with a stick before I went in for the cache.

Yeah, you would think that if you were in a state with snakes, you'd know it, and would not need the attribute. Kind of like needing a bear attribute here. But perhaps some areas of some states are more heavily populated with snakes than others? And, it might make people visiting from other areas aware snakes are around.

What about "Telephone nearby"???? Do people actually limit their caches to those which have or do not have a telephone nearby? And yet, 66 Maine caches are tagged by that attribute.

And then we have two caches in Maine that require scuba gear?
Cape Island Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=02a54d2a-1adf-40dc-a0b4-f5e9ed577217) (GC20HGJ) by BramborovySalat (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2224657) (3.5/5)
Itlindian Tribute (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=416d7cec-0f54-484a-ad25-fd5d87976db9) (GC1TMCT) by Ekidokai (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1790176) (1.5/1.5)

hollora
11-10-2009, 08:11 AM
Yeah, you would think that if you were in a state with snakes, you'd know it, and would not need the attribute. Kind of like needing a bear attribute here. But perhaps some areas of some states are more heavily populated with snakes than others? And, it might make people visiting from other areas aware snakes are around.

What about "Telephone nearby"???? Do people actually limit their caches to those which have or do not have a telephone nearby? And yet, 66 Maine caches are tagged by that attribute.

And then we have two caches in Maine that require scuba gear?
Cape Island Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=02a54d2a-1adf-40dc-a0b4-f5e9ed577217) (GC20HGJ) by BramborovySalat (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2224657) (3.5/5)
Itlindian Tribute (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=416d7cec-0f54-484a-ad25-fd5d87976db9) (GC1TMCT) by Ekidokai (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1790176) (1.5/1.5)

Having done the Tribute cache I can assure you - no scuba gear required :D - unless the beavers built a dam and it is now in a pond :eek: LOL
;)

cano
11-10-2009, 09:36 AM
And then we have two caches in Maine that require scuba gear?
Cape Island Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=02a54d2a-1adf-40dc-a0b4-f5e9ed577217) (GC20HGJ) by BramborovySalat (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2224657) (3.5/5)


Thanks to your stats I have discovered another geocacher from Czecho/Slovakia :)

hollora
11-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Thanks to your stats I have discovered another geocacher from Czecho/Slovakia :)

That's very cool.

brdad
11-10-2009, 10:02 PM
Thanks to the people in the GSAK forums, here is a full list of Yes/No attributes for all caches ever placed in Maine.

http://www.bytethebullet.com/geocaching/fora/atttributes.gif

Ekidokai
11-10-2009, 11:26 PM
Yeah, you would think that if you were in a state with snakes, you'd know it, and would not need the attribute. Kind of like needing a bear attribute here. But perhaps some areas of some states are more heavily populated with snakes than others? And, it might make people visiting from other areas aware snakes are around.

What about "Telephone nearby"???? Do people actually limit their caches to those which have or do not have a telephone nearby? And yet, 66 Maine caches are tagged by that attribute.

And then we have two caches in Maine that require scuba gear?
Cape Island Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=02a54d2a-1adf-40dc-a0b4-f5e9ed577217) (GC20HGJ) by BramborovySalat (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2224657) (3.5/5)
Itlindian Tribute (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=416d7cec-0f54-484a-ad25-fd5d87976db9) (GC1TMCT) by Ekidokai (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1790176) (1.5/1.5)

Now there is only one. Don't know how that happened.

JustKev
11-26-2009, 12:52 PM
The most surprising one to me is the one for snakes.

That would have come in handy if my cousin was still around to get into geocaching. She was petrified by snakes. She used to say she'd wet her pants and pass out if she saw one. One time I asked her what would happen if she passed out and landed on the snake, pinning it beneath her. Her reply, "God what a vicious circle."

brdad
06-30-2010, 10:59 AM
Two new attributes have been added to caches.

http://www.geocaching.com/images/attributes/rv-yes.gif - Truck Driver/RV
http://www.geocaching.com/images/attributes/field_puzzle-yes.gif - Field Puzzle

I think the Truck Driver/RV attribute could bet misinterpreted a lot. I'd think it was more on an "ample parking" attribute than a cache on the side of the road, which I'd fear many will read it as. But the Field Puzzle attribute could be nice, sometimes it's hard to tell if a puzzle is designed to be solved on site or at home.

Gob-ler
06-30-2010, 05:46 PM
The field puzzle attribute will indeed be helpful. I am sure the GSAK macro folks will have an update shortly that will show us that particular detail on the GPS'r. Bring it on!

brdad
06-30-2010, 06:19 PM
The field puzzle attribute will indeed be helpful. I am sure the GSAK macro folks will have an update shortly that will show us that particular detail on the GPS'r. Bring it on!

Yes, I see the GSAk folks have already been informed. The Field puzzle attribute is a Yes/No/Not Applicable tag, so caches like my two puzzle caches can be tagged as not being field puzzles (And have already been tagged as such). IMO it's might be more important to label the caches that are not field puzzles than those that are.

http://www.geocaching.com/images/attributes/field_puzzle-no.gif

JustPJ66
06-30-2010, 07:04 PM
ok so would our new multi need to be tagged as a feild puzzle as you get coordinates for some of the other caches from one in the feild? or is this just for ? caches??

brdad
06-30-2010, 08:29 PM
ok so would our new multi need to be tagged as a feild puzzle as you get coordinates for some of the other caches from one in the feild? or is this just for ? caches??

That is a good question. I'd almost think if it required finding other caches and no work at home, it would be ok to use the field puzzle attribute. But I could be swayed to a different opinion...

Gob-ler
06-30-2010, 10:50 PM
The way I have handled it up until now is Solved have corrected coordinates. Ones that I cannot solve get the privilege of being on my ignore list and field puzzles were just puzzles with only the ?. It worked, but the new designations will be better.

brdad
08-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Some new attributes have been added to cache pages, including one for park and grab. If enough people properly used the attribute, using this attribute in conjunction with other attributes and filters could be a nice step for people like me in filtering out caches that have little to offer over a smiley, or make it easier for those that choose to do only P&Gs easier.

I see the major hurdles with the P&G attribute as:
1. Hiders not marking their park and grabs as such because of the negative connotations of the name.
2. Hiders with many P&Gs to their credit not wanting to bother to edit all those listings.

The benefit of the attribute is it is one step closer to effective filtering for cachers on both sides of the argument regarding P&Gs.
The only cache I have that is a candidate for the P&G attribute would be Old470, but I feel that is not a quick enough grab for most, despite easy access.

I find the "UV Light Required" attribute odd in the fact I was just talking about UV light caches in chat the other night. I didn't realize they were so common it warranted an attribute. And if I had such a cache, would I want you to know ahead of time? Hmmmm

The 3 lengths of hike could be handy as well if properly used.

Food/Fuel nearby? IMO .... kinda dumb for an attribute. Maybe it makes sense for other areas.

http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=513&stc=1&d=1281809268

Haffy
08-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Food/Fuel nearby? IMO .... kinda dumb for an attribute. Maybe it makes sense for other areas.

http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=513&stc=1&d=1281809268

Unless you're on a hike where it is 10+ miles in length, whats the point?

brdad
08-15-2010, 05:54 AM
Unless you're on a hike where it is 10+ miles in length, whats the point?

Well, it's nice to know it's a short hike if you are short for time or just to tired for an extended hike. There are 3 distance attributes -<1, 1-10, and 10+. Unfortunately its in km and 1 km isn't very far, .6 mile.

I think they could have done better with the distances. I would have rather seen <1 mile, <5 mile, and 5+ mile. Funny part is, there are very few caches in Maine you would ever have to walk more than 5 miles for. I know this is not so common in some other states, however.

What would be great is if you could assign any number to a mileage attribute, so you could set it to 3, 5, 7, 12, or whatever the actual intended distance was.

brdad
08-19-2010, 06:36 AM
I was helping someone in chat with the new PNG attribute and realized you will not have that option in GSAK if you download the version from the main page. So here is a link to the 7.7.3 pre-release versions of GSAK. as long has you have installed version 7.7.2 Build 56 from the main page you can scroll down the page below and download the latest version.

http://gsak.net/board/index.php?showtopic=16220

I checked and it was good to see 5 new caches hidden by 5 different cachers with the PNG attribute this week.

The question is - what does it take to get cache hiders to review their existing caches and update them? One argument in chat last night that is is part of the regular maintenance of the cache.

pm28570
08-19-2010, 08:10 AM
I was helping someone in chat with the new PNG attribute and realized you will not have that option in GSAK if you download the version from the main page. So here is a link to the 7.7.3 pre-release versions of GSAK. as long has you have installed version 7.7.2 Build 56 from the main page you can scroll down the page below and download the latest version.

http://gsak.net/board/index.php?showtopic=16220

I checked and it was good to see 5 new caches hidden by 5 different cachers with the PNG attribute this week.

The question is - what does it take to get cache hiders to review their existing caches and update them? One argument in chat last night that is is part of the regular maintenance of the cache.

I think asking for someone to update may be stretching it.....how about getting placers to even list attributes?

team barbieri
08-19-2010, 08:28 PM
I was helping someone in chat with the new PNG attribute and realized you will not have that option in GSAK if you download the version from the main page. So here is a link to the 7.7.3 pre-release versions of GSAK. as long has you have installed version 7.7.2 Build 56 from the main page you can scroll down the page below and download the latest version.

http://gsak.net/board/index.php?showtopic=16220

I checked and it was good to see 5 new caches hidden by 5 different cachers with the PNG attribute this week.

The question is - what does it take to get cache hiders to review their existing caches and update them? One argument in chat last night that is is part of the regular maintenance of the cache.


Thanks again brdad for helping me with that update. it worked great:D

Ekidokai
08-19-2010, 10:40 PM
If I put out any more caches I might consider using these new attributes. Just something isn't right. I don't know what it is, there is just something not right.

brdad
08-20-2010, 07:39 AM
If I put out any more caches I might consider using these new attributes. Just something isn't right. I don't know what it is, there is just something not right.

Oh come on, edit your existing caches, too! What good is an attribute applied to only your newest caches?

Ekidokai
08-21-2010, 10:59 AM
Oh come on, edit your existing caches, too! What good is an attribute applied to only your newest caches?

Mainly just so that it wont be so easy for you to ignore me.