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firefighterjake
04-20-2010, 09:36 AM
This was brought up as an aside in another thread . . . just thought I would bring it up again . . . guess I was a bit discouraged this morning when going through my found caches for this past weekend and found a cut and paste job . . .

"Easy find, signed log, took nothing, left Travel bug, TFTC" on one cache.

"Easy find, signed log, pretty funny cache, took nothing, left foreign. . ."

Not exactly a cut and paste job, but on the other hand no mention really of the history of the one cache, scenic location, etc.

And then on a Bangor cache . . . a scant "TFTC."

Kind of disappointing . . . I mean I realize not everyone is a writer . . . not everyone is verbose . . . and not everyone feels compelled to write a lot about the area, search, etc. . . . but when you get a bunch of logs like these it is kind of discouraging since it almost seems as though the person didn't even see the beauty around them.

But then to balance things out a bit I get a log from a new cacher on what is probably my least scenic cache in downtown Unity . . .

"Found by Tinisman - nice place on Saturday afternoon - only had one person use the bank drive thru. A little tough to find. Nice job. Thanks for your efforts around Unity and the surrounding towns. I am new to this...
Found by Tinisman - nice place on Saturday afternoon - only had one person use the bank drive thru. A little tough to find. Nice job. Thanks for your efforts around Unity and the surrounding towns. I am new to this..."

And truth be told . . . in looking at most logs it seems that that are far more "good" logs than the generic cut-and-paste ones.

WhereRWe?
04-20-2010, 09:39 AM
Our logs reflect the cache.

A GRC film can usually gets a cut-and-paste "TNLNSL TFTC".

An ammo can with interesting swag in a scenic location usually will get a paragraph.

Caches in between these extremes get a commensurate log entry.

:D:D

JustPJ66
04-20-2010, 09:51 AM
this last weekend Kev and I did 28 caches on sunday and I think 6 or 7 on Saturday......we got home so late on Sunday that we didnt log the finds till Monday evening when he got home from work...*we cache together we log together* hehe

But those 28 caches took us like 2 and 1/2 hours to log. We try to find some little thing, even on the most "why did they put a cache here" type of cache, to say about either the cache or our day out or SOMETHING. I guess we dont do to badly as we have had several people mention they enjoy reading them and to be honest that makes it worth the 2 or 3 hours of log time to us..

dont you think, and this is just my opinion, that as people try to do more and more caches in a day...when it becomes about the numbers both for placeing and finding.....that they tend to do the cut and paste or the quick logs simply because they have SO many to do that it becomes a chore. I mean it isnt that way for us ...mostly because Sunday was the most we have done in a day but also because it isnt about numbers to kev and I .....but it is for alot of people it seems from reading logs and from some of the things said here on this forum.

I guess for us when we read logs posted on our caches ...yes i love a detailed log that entertains me or mentions the work we put in on preparing or placing our caches , but it they found it and had a good time doing it that is REALLY why we put it there. For the fun of it.

We like this game/sport and do it the way we do it for us. IT'S FUN ....When it isnt FUN we wont do it anymore...

Hope this makes sence LOL

Happy Caching All

firefighterjake
04-20-2010, 12:44 PM
this last weekend Kev and I did 28 caches on sunday and I think 6 or 7 on Saturday......we got home so late on Sunday that we didnt log the finds till Monday evening when he got home from work...*we cache together we log together* hehe

But those 28 caches took us like 2 and 1/2 hours to log. I hear ya . . . try logging over 100 . . . it takes a while . . . after a while it can almost feel like work! :) We try to find some little thing, even on the most "why did they put a cache here" type of cache, to say about either the cache or our day out or SOMETHING. I agree . . . and even those GRCs can have a redeeming quality . . . when they're placed in a location that offers a scenic view or offers something that is a bit of a challenge -- I'm thinking of a certain cache in Liberty that I did recently that had both a good view of a pond and a twist on the cache container . . . another that Cache Maine put out that offered a great view of Penobscot Bay that I never would have seen if I was whizzing by at 55 mph . . . and another where you had to search through half a bazillion film containers all strung together to find the cache and then . . . well for those that have not found it I won't spoil the hide. I guess we dont do to badly as we have had several people mention they enjoy reading them and to be honest that makes it worth the 2 or 3 hours of log time to us. Again . . . I agree . . . for a cache hider the main thrill and impetus in hiding a cache for me is to read the logs where people tell you how much they enjoyed the history, the view, the clever hide, etc.

dont you think, and this is just my opinion, that as people try to do more and more caches in a day...when it becomes about the numbers both for placeing and finding.....that they tend to do the cut and paste or the quick logs simply because they have SO many to do that it becomes a chore. I mean it isnt that way for us ...mostly because Sunday was the most we have done in a day but also because it isnt about numbers to kev and I .....but it is for alot of people it seems from reading logs and from some of the things said here on this forum. I think you're right . . . it's a time commitment issue . . . plus after doing a whole lot of caches if you haven't actually jotted down a note or two you tend to forget which cache was which . . .

I guess for us when we read logs posted on our caches ...yes i love a detailed log that entertains me or mentions the work we put in on preparing or placing our caches , but it they found it and had a good time doing it that is REALLY why we put it there. For the fun of it.

We like this game/sport and do it the way we do it for us. IT'S FUN ....When it isnt FUN we wont do it anymore...

Hope this makes sence LOL Makes sense to me . . . sounds like you're my kind of cachers . . . make sure you come to the Unity area some day . . . it's worth it just for the pizza . . . and the chance to see the Amish . . . plus I hear there are a few caches in the area. ;)

Happy Caching All

See notes above.

JustPJ66
04-20-2010, 01:11 PM
Unity....for pizza, Amish and caches? Humm sounds like good time to me! hehe

JustPJ66
04-20-2010, 01:25 PM
but wait...will i find one of these FAMOUS ladders in a cache in unity??? LOL

brdad
04-20-2010, 02:25 PM
I think log lengths are dependent upon factors from both sides - the cacher and the cache.

On the cacher side, some people can ramble on for an hour and somehow connect their great grandmother who died climbing Mount Everest to an LPC behind the Goodwill Store. Others could do a cache on Everest and only have the writing ability to make a few short sentences. Others have to be inspired to write anything lengthy. Myself, I am a combination of those last two. I think I am a decent writer, but if a cache doesn't set that spark off, I have to struggle to find words - sometimes I know the cache is worthy of more, it just does not come to me. On the flip side, if a cache does nothing for me other than up my numbers by one, I have been known to log just a smiley :) - It's not meant to be mean, to me it is one of those 'picture is worth a thousand words' things. My log stats:
Total Words: 76036, Average: 50, (Total Characters: 387783) Longest: 603, Shortest: 1

On the cache side, if the cache does not trigger some sort of reaction , it will most likely produce shorter logs. Obviously the longer you are at a cache for reasons of length of time to get there, length of time to find it, preparation, or just wanting to take in the views, etc., the more likely it will trigger the desire to write more. I was just looking at the stats on the logs of my 6 cache hides yesterday and think they are numbers to be proud of:
Log Length, words: Average: 56, Longest: GCB688 460
Edit: Funny, the stats does not give me the shortest log on my caches.... I know Battlship has one short one: ":D Sighted Sub, Sank Same. 04/03/2003 1220".

I also agree with JustPJ66 - the more we do the less likely we are to write lengthy logs. And when that number reaches a certain point which varies for each of us, all the caches seem to meld together so when the time comes to write a log there is nothing to remember about any individual cache. For me, cache names have an effect on that as well. Dalmatians, Playing cards, Automobiles - all these series cache names - makes it hard for me to remember any of the individual caches because the names get mulled together. heck, I have to spot and think which cache is which when discussing my 'Halfmile' and 'Mile from a Halfmile' caches.

I still do not think you can determine the quality of a cache from the length of the logs, nor can it determine how much fun you'll have at any cache. But they can tell a lot about a cache. If you look at the logs and divide the comments which talk about the finder's day (numbers/weather/friends) from those specific to the cache it can help determine what features of the cache the finder enjoyed and possibly what parts of it could be improved upon in your next hide.

benandtina
04-20-2010, 03:16 PM
Our log stats:
Total Words: 15549, Average: 51, (Total Characters: 81261) Longest: 774, Shortest: 3

I agree with Brdad, though, that you can't always judge the quality of the cache by log length. There have been some caches where we didn't write a huge amount but were most definitely our favorites. For example, our log for GC214B7 was 42 words (43 if you count the smilie face :)), so it was a bit under our average, but if you read the log you'll see that we highly recommend it. That's the only example I can think of off hand but I know there must be many.

dubord207
04-20-2010, 05:15 PM
I confess to thoroughly enjoying logs that suggest the finder had a great day, enjoyed the cache or the company and note an appreciation for the effort of the hide.

On the other side of the coin, it's no secret that I think cut and paste can be downright disrespectful of a cache that obviously took some effort to design and place. But I agree with Bruce, the nano in the sign in the middle of nowhere with nothing else interesting at the site, well that gets a "thank you", I think all caches should at least get that polite tip of the hat, but maybe not a lot more.

To those that are concerned with numbers only why not just admit it when you log. How about:" I geocache for the numbers only. I have no imagination therefore no opinion about this cache. I'm making this serial log from my Blackberry. TFTC."

My guess is the people with the 4 letter logs are too self-absorbed to follow this site so probably I'm wasting my time beating this to death.

But for those of you who take the time to make a nice comment or two, TFYL! (Thanks for your log!):)

cano
04-20-2010, 05:21 PM
Average: 11, Longest: 304, Shortest: 1

You better start placing more interesting caches if you want something longer from me :P

WhereRWe?
04-20-2010, 05:24 PM
But I agree with Bruce, the nano in the sign in the middle of nowhere with nothing else interesting at the site, well that gets a "thank you", I think all caches should at least get that polite tip of the hat, but maybe not a lot more.


RULost2? and I did 10 caches today. Nine of them were film cans, one was a decon container. Guess what most of the logs were. LOL!

What bugged me the most was the fact that I had 4 TB's/geocoins in my pocket, and didn't get rid of one of them today. I though that the one cache that would hold something was so far off the beaten path that the TB's would just sit there. Sigh...

Mapachi
04-20-2010, 06:08 PM
but wait...will i find one of these FAMOUS ladders in a cache in unity??? LOL


I put one of those famous ladders, I found in another cache, into my CACHEZILLA! cache. In fact I put a $#!+ load of "signature items" in CACHEZILLA!
You might have to search for a while to find the ladder. There IS that much stuff in there!

JustPJ66
04-20-2010, 06:11 PM
I put one of those famous ladders, I found in another cache, into my CACHEZILLA! cache. In fact I put a $#!+ load of "signature items" in CACHEZILLA!
You might have to search for a while to find the ladder. There IS that much stuff in there!


We ARE going to that one...FOR SURE ...a little bird...well actually a big brother told me it is awsome cache !!

JustKev
04-20-2010, 06:14 PM
We ARE going to that one...FOR SURE ...a little bird...well actually a big brother told me it is awsome cache !!

I wonder how far we can get in the truck?

Mapachi
04-20-2010, 06:21 PM
I wonder how far we can get in the truck?

A cake walk after getting past the stream near my "Dr. No" cache.

dubord207
04-20-2010, 07:41 PM
That's a really huge cache. I had Nick and Bo with me and Bo got stuck in the cache and I got half way back to my truck before I realized he wasn't with me! Make sure you don't leave the cache with any missing children, dogs, or other family members! If it rains, just climb in and wait it out!:D

firefighterjake
04-21-2010, 07:07 AM
but wait...will i find one of these FAMOUS ladders in a cache in unity??? LOL

Most likely not . . . but I have been motivated to hiding some new caches in the general area after a year or so hiatus of not hiding any caches . . . and you can thank SRS in part since they inadvertently introduced me to a trail system . . . and I just got permission to hide some caches yesterday.

fins2right
04-22-2010, 07:36 PM
but wait...will i find one of these FAMOUS ladders in a cache in unity??? LOL
I found one of the ladders in the second or third cache I found. I think it was Connor Grist Mill or Pratt's Stream Cache. My son has it displayed on his "Caching shelf". I never knew how famous they were for a year or so afterward. :D To be honest, at the time I had no idea why some one would put one in a cache. I thought all caches just contained logs. :rolleyes:

LaughingTerry
04-23-2010, 03:37 PM
I know what you mean about the TFTC logs. I hate it when I get that on one of my caches that I think is really clever. I have actually deleted a couple of those logs on "Bessies Tale"

I used to have two HUGE ammo cans out there. One I had to pull when they cleaned and landscaped the area. Before I could find a spot there to replace it someone placed a small cache there. *sigh* The other one came up missing when the trees in that area were harvested. It was chocked full of great swag too. 2 or 3 years after I placed it I was still getting logs commenting on the great swag. I have 3 more of those ammo cans and sometime soon I will placing at least one.

My pet peeve these days is all the film canisters where there is a great spot for a regular size cache within feet of the hide.

rcwhit
04-23-2010, 05:57 PM
My pet peeve these days is all the film canisters where there is a great spot for a regular size cache within feet of the hide.

I know what you mean, there are great places for film canisters but in the middle of the woods is not one of them! :mad:

LaughingTerry
04-24-2010, 11:17 PM
I hate film canisters anyway. For a buck at Walmart you can get the match containers. They work much better.

firefighterjake
04-26-2010, 07:43 AM
I know what you mean about the TFTC logs. I hate it when I get that on one of my caches that I think is really clever. I have actually deleted a couple of those logs on "Bessies Tale"

I used to have two HUGE ammo cans out there. One I had to pull when they cleaned and landscaped the area. Before I could find a spot there to replace it someone placed a small cache there. *sigh* The other one came up missing when the trees in that area were harvested. It was chocked full of great swag too. 2 or 3 years after I placed it I was still getting logs commenting on the great swag. I have 3 more of those ammo cans and sometime soon I will placing at least one.

My pet peeve these days is all the film canisters where there is a great spot for a regular size cache within feet of the hide.

And can I get an Amen to Brother Terry? ;) :)

Mapachi
04-27-2010, 09:02 AM
I hate film canisters anyway. For a buck at Walmart you can get the match containers. They work much better.
SO YOU'RE THE GUY BUYING THEM ALL UP IN CENTRAL MAINE!:eek::eek:

dubord207
04-27-2010, 01:23 PM
Hussey's is out. I'm advised by the "upstairs clerk" that SRS grab them all.

As of 10:00 AM yesterday, the Cabela's store in Scarborough is also out....but with the limits of supply and the increased demands of the caching public, Keynesian economics mandates an increase in price. I have about 20 I'm will to sell for $19.95 each!:D:D:D

Mapachi
04-27-2010, 01:55 PM
Hussey's is out. I'm advised by the "upstairs clerk" that SRS grab them all.

As of 10:00 AM yesterday, the Cabela's store in Scarborough is also out....but with the limits of supply and the increased demands of the caching public, Keynesian economics mandates an increase in price. I have about 20 I'm will to sell for $19.95 each!:D:D:D

Big deal! I can get them at pyromaniac.com for $9.95! And they come with magnesium tipped matches and a small plastic bag full of phosphorus!:rolleyes:

LaughingTerry
04-30-2010, 07:22 PM
SO YOU'RE THE GUY BUYING THEM ALL UP IN CENTRAL MAINE!:eek::eek:

I have only bought 50 or 60........or 80. LOL I just cleaned out my Walmart again as well as Farmington Walmart. I have ideas for micros that really aren't, well, they are but the hides aren't, like Lion Sleeps Tonight and one I am working on now, Excalibur.