Today I met up with a guide and I received a message from one some time ago and forgot to post about this.

There have been two complaints from guides out along the Rt. 9 corridor and the Stud Mill Rd. corridor.

Recently two women looking for a cache in the woods were being loud and way off course looking for a cache in the woods. They disturbed a guided bear hunt. These guides pay a fortune to lease the areas for these hunts and the customers pay a bunch also. These are not the caches along the roads. These are the caches way out in the woods.

The first confrontation involved two people that were being loud and had a bunch of cookies with them. When asked, they said they were caching. When told they were disrupting a bear hunt they were very surprised and asked if they should be wearing orange. The guide told them that they were more in line of getting eaten rather than shot with all the cookies and junk food they had.

So by request of the paper company and guides in the area they ask that any caches placed off the main roads proper have something prominently displayed on the cache page informing cachers of the bear hunting season like this:

Bear hunting starts last Monday in August through September 30th. Please don't bring food into the woods. Please be quite and stay close to the cache location during these times.

I have contacted some of the cache owners in the general area that the issues have arose and I ask that you pass this along to anyone you know that has a cache that might be in an area like this.

If caching begins to interfere with anything it will get a bad name from the people doing what is being interfered with. I love to hunt, not bear however. I disagree with the statement the guide made about people being attacked by bears because they were carrying cookies. When was the last time you read in a local paper about a bear attacking anyone in the state of Maine? Without stating percentages that aren't usually accurate anyway the majority of the time black bears in Maine are a very shy animal around people. More so since they have been denied the food source the local dumps used to provide.

I'm in my mid 50's and I've been in the Maine woods all through the year and have seen the occasional bear. Most of them, if they became aware I was around, wasted no time leaving the area. Usually at a high rate of speed. The size and gender of the bear didn't seem to matter (not that you can tell at a glance if it's a boy or girlie bear).

I have yet to be "interfered" with by anyone while I was out deer or bird hunting and as a cacher I would pass on searching for a cache if I knew there was a deer hunter nearby. If we all play nice we'll be better perceived by the rest of the world we lovingly refer to as muggles.

I am all for being nice and staying away from an area where anyone is known to be hunting. But people hunt all over the state all year long. Do we just ban all caches in any woods open to hunting? Sheesh! I can understand a guide getting upset anyone is endangering his income. But assuming neither party owns or has explicit permission to be there, cachers could have as much right to ask that the guide move his hunts away from the cache area.

I agree with Kevin, the odds of a bear attack solely because you have cookies is slim to none, even more so when you are talking loudly. In fact, if the cachers remained as quiet as could be as the guide requests, they would be endangering themselves more - the bears are less apt to be scared off, and the hunters are less likely to know they are there.

Again, I am all for being respectful when I know someone is hunting in an area, but I'm not sure I'd post anything on my cache page unless I had a request directly from the landowner. And even then, I would lean towards disabling it during the specified hunting season as some cache owners do with their caches.

There's less big game hunting than small game hunting if you look at the seasons for both. Small game hunting usually wouldn't be interfered with by cachers to any great extent. Big game hunting could actually be benefited by cachers depending on how the hunters are hunting by moving the animal in question toward the hunter. Just don't get caught doing it on purpose, it's against the law in the State of Maine to drive deer to a known location of a hunter with the intent of the hunter then shooting it. Waterfowl hunting from a blind would be adversely affected by cachers since ducks and geese have very acute eyesight and wouldn't land or fly close to the blind if they saw the cachers close by. I won't stop caching in any given hunting season but I will give thought to how I might approach a given cache and if I know there's a bait station close by with a hunter there, out of courtesy to a fellow hunter, I will not do that cache.

A few years ago I adopted a cache. It was on private land and in a bear baiting/hunting area. A long story goes with the adoption but it comes down to Land Owner permission (as is usually required for hunting as well!). If the land owner has granted permission - everyone should be able to play well together with a little education both ways.

The landowner who had the land where my cache was placed requested I disable the cache during hunting season. They also knew it would not prevent some folks from coming - but it did show it as temporarily disabled. For the years it was active I always complied. When they clear cut the land - I archived the cache.

First, if you do not own the land you do not have permission to put caches out there and cause others to be there looking for them.

Second, stupid statements like the ones on here will surly get all the caches in this area to be removed. I have put way too much time and effort into this series to have that happen.

Third, non of us are bear experts or are getting paid to take people out on hunts. So no more statements need be made on that subject.

At this point all that is being asked is to add the warning to the pages.

I have heard a lot of talk on here about responsible cachers and quality hides. Now is the time to see some action from the big talkers.

Be responsible and comply and no harm done.

Be irresponsible and spout off and the consequences will be on your head.

Be forewarned, things are changing.

I'm going bear hunting with dogs the week of the 13th. Di's oldest son is a guide and has been training his dogs all summer, even in the heat.

I'm bringing my gps, just to mark the truck. If I see my fellow geocachers, I'll give them a wave and tell them what all the barking is about.

There's enough open space and land in Maine for all to play well together!

First, if you do not own the land you do not have permission to put caches out there and cause others to be there looking for them.

Second, stupid statements like the ones on here will surly get all the caches in this area to be removed. I have put way too much time and effort into this series to have that happen.

Third, non of us are bear experts or are getting paid to take people out on hunts. So no more statements need be made on that subject.

At this point all that is being asked is to add the warning to the pages.

I have heard a lot of talk on here about responsible cachers and quality hides. Now is the time to see some action from the big talkers.

Be responsible and comply and no harm done.

Be irresponsible and spout off and the consequences will be on your head.

Be forewarned, things are changing.

In a previous life, were you like an Oscar the Grouch type person? :eek::D

I'm going bear hunting with dogs the week of the 13th. Di's oldest son is a guide and has been training his dogs all summer, even in the heat.

I'm bringing my gps, just to mark the truck. If I see my fellow geocachers, I'll give them a wave and tell them what all the barking is about.

There's enough open space and land in Maine for all to play well together!

There is plenty of open space. When people that own and lease the space ask kindly to do something very easy, that should not be a big deal. Voluntary compliance should be our intention.

When we are infringing on others enjoyment or livelihoods this is bad.

Good luck, I love bear meat. Hint, hint.


In a previous life, were you like an Oscar the Grouch type person? :eek::D

I hope you heal up quick. I would hate to be accused of beating a cripple.

Most of those caches are in what is known as multiple use areas. Geocachers need to be mindful of others just as the others need to be mindful of others.

I find the remarks made by the "Guide" to be a bit disturbing. He was not being forthright or honest with you. Most guides I have met or know are very mindful of others who are in the area. If he has his clients that close to the road he should consider moving them back just a bit. Most bear baiting stations I have seen (and I have seen a bunch of them over the years) are well back from any of the "Main Road" areas. They are usually in "dead end" areas as well as places that most regular vehicles would have a tough time getting to.

Being a hunter I have had many meetings with folks that I did not expect to be there, but I always felt they were as justified as I as they did their thing.

Just in case anyone missed this back when I posted it about a year ago...

JJAVe57yH-o

Most of those caches are in what is known as multiple use areas. Geocachers need to be mindful of others just as the others need to be mindful of others.

I find the remarks made by the "Guide" to be a bit disturbing. He was not being forthright or honest with you. Most guides I have met or know are very mindful of others who are in the area. If he has his clients that close to the road he should consider moving them back just a bit. Most bear baiting stations I have seen (and I have seen a bunch of them over the years) are well back from any of the "Main Road" areas. They are usually in "dead end" areas as well as places that most regular vehicles would have a tough time getting to.

Being a hunter I have had many meetings with folks that I did not expect to be there, but I always felt they were as justified as I as they did their thing.

When someone pays big bucks to hunt and the land is leased for this reason, it is up to them where and when they place a stand or station not us. It is also very bad form to be out in any area screwing around hollering back and forth. Another part of the story that people are missing is that these people were 1/2 mile from where they should have been at best.

It is not up to the people making a living out there to be mindful of anything except what they paid to do. Muti use or anything else you want to call it. Non of these people had a clue, where way off course and disturbing others.

The people that own the land can and will shut down caching for everyone. All they ask right now is the warning to be added to the pages.

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? They have every right to be there. We have absolutely no right to be disturbing or causing to disturb them.

I think what we're missing, at least I am - who is making the request versus who has the authority to do so.

If the landowner made the request, then by all means, the note should be added to the cache page, or as I said earlier, an even better approach would be to disable the caches altogether during these hunting seasons.

If the guide is leasing the land, then the same may hold true but do guides lease the land they hunt on? If so, it's the first time I've ever heard of it. And if an area is leased specifically for hunting, I'd lean toward it's not a great area to have caches there anyway. And If I was paying money to lease land to take people hunting on, I would not want cachers, hikers, or any other people on that land.

No one here is recommending any cache hider disrespect landowners or land managers when considering cache placement. But if income is the only argument someone who is utilizing the land with equal right to be there as anyone else then that is not a valid request IMO. If they have been granted a higher right then that is different.

Wow...Everybody wants to argue opinions on here for something as simple as make a note on the cache or lose the land to cache on.....Its that simple and to be honest nobody's opinion matters. On the other hand, Mike you are going to get everybodys opinions even if they understand because everyone here just loves to debate anything and everything. I think Mike would just like to hear us say Yes we understand that and will respect any and all land owners as per GS. rules.

The problem with that is when you are only downloading the waypoints and not even reading about the cache you aren't going to know about the prominently displayed notice.

The problem with that is when you are only downloading the waypoints and not even reading about the cache you aren't going to know about the prominently displayed notice.

You mean to tell me you don't do paperless caching so you can check what the listing says while you're in hot pursuit of that next cache? Oh my! The shame of it all!

:eek::D

The problem with that is when you are only downloading the waypoints and not even reading about the cache you aren't going to know about the prominently displayed notice.

Cachers really really should read cache descriptions before doing any cache. With many caches you should read the description before even leaving the house.

And I'll be the first to admit that is hard for me to do. I am often afraid if I read the description it will give out too many clues as to how it's hidden, and also I'd rather be surprised at the location. But in reality is is better for the cacher, cache owner, and often the landowners to do this bit of research before heading out, especially in cases where these notes need to be added.

If I could play the way I'd like to play I'd rarely read a description. But this is another case where playing your own way could have negative repercussions on the game.

Cachers really really should read cache descriptions before doing any cache. With many caches you should read the description before even leaving the house.

And I'll be the first to admit that is hard for me to do. I am often afraid if I read the description it will give out too many clues as to how it's hidden, and also I'd rather be surprised at the location. But in reality is is better for the cacher, cache owner, and often the landowners to do this bit of research before heading out, especially in cases where these notes need to be added.

If I could play the way I'd like to play I'd rarely read a description. But this is another case where playing your own way could have negative repercussions on the game.

If you're loading caches by way of PQ and planning on doing a large number of them on your trip reading the description before hand would be hard to do, if not impossible. When PJ and I were pre-planning trips and selecting caches one at a time from GC.com we often were able to do that but still couldn't remember specific caches all that accurately. Might have remembered a warning type note better because of the nature of the note but I can't attest to that, not having tested the theory. Paperless caching might help, somewhat, since the text from the listing is available to you in the field but you still have to actually open the description on the Garmin Oregon 450, which I seldom do before we're there at the cache area. Usually I only bring up the description if we're having a hard time finding the cache. A note on the cache listing might meet the "technical" requirements from the landowner but it isn't realistic that the note would even be seen by any cacher loading up by way of PQ.

I agree with Brdad. You should read the cache listing before searching for the cache. We usually check it after we've stopped to make sure there haven't been a lot of DNF's, and to see if there are any restrictions that would affect the search.

Yeah - you should no seek a cache without reading the description. (Unless you know it's a GRC series, or something like that.)

:D:D

Yeah - you should no seek a cache without reading the description. (Unless you know it's a GRC series, or something like that.)
:D:D

I almost added a "probably no need to bother" statement regarding these types of caches, but it's quite possible any of them could have a note limiting hours or landowner requested parking spot. Or, maybe someone's hunting bears from the guardrail. :)

The folks commenting on this thread mostly cache as a couple which I certainly prefer. So while driving from cache to cache and to avoid driving and looking at the cache description while do so, Di reads the cache descriptions out loud

Now, in terms of some of my cache descriptions, you ought to read 'em for a few chuckles. I haven't learned how to download info from Wikepedia to a cache listing so whatever I write is from my sometimes wild imagination. Some folks write a thesis and some of the historical info is fascinating.

I think sometimes cache placers forget that for most of us it's more fun to find a cache than not find the cache. A lot of hints are useless and lot of caches could use a little extra in the cache description to help folks make the find.

We read the descriptions and sometimes it truly helps. Like logs, I think the more ambitious amongst us put in a better effort then others which is the way I prefer to play.

A lot of hints are useless

Especially for those cachers who can't tell the difference between and ash and a maple.

Which one has the funny bark?:confused:

Which one has the funny bark?:confused:

.....but I ain't gonna tell it.

Just look at the leaves, if they look like the Canadian flag, it's a maple.

Nope I check out the cache listing, print it off, take it with me. Then I write down what I traded, let my grandson have the remaining pages and he draws pictures of where we was and what he did.
Oh my, should I also say I enjoy putting the numbers in manually. These are times I would never have if I did paperless. Some things are just to precious to give up.

Nope I check out the cache listing, print it off, take it with me. Then I write down what I traded, let my grandson have the remaining pages and he draws pictures of where we was and what he did.
Oh my, should I also say I enjoy putting the numbers in manually. These are times I would never have if I did paperless. Some things are just to precious to give up.

Sounds like you've found something too precious to waste, time with your grandson. That's fantastic.

Cachers really really should read cache descriptions before doing any cache. With many caches you should read the description before even leaving the house.

And I'll be the first to admit that is hard for me to do. I am often afraid if I read the description it will give out too many clues as to how it's hidden, and also I'd rather be surprised at the location. But in reality is is better for the cacher, cache owner, and often the landowners to do this bit of research before heading out, especially in cases where these notes need to be added.

If I could play the way I'd like to play I'd rarely read a description. But this is another case where playing your own way could have negative repercussions on the game.

...but what else is new? :) I have to agree with Brdad....read the cache description. I have one placed cache, GC1XX37 (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c0869293-83f7-4367-be25-c0770f3a541c#)that specifically recommends you to take the Bennett Road to the cache rather than a shortcut thru the campground. The biggest reason is the short drive is scenic, along the river as well as mountains and fields. The drive ends at the covered bridge and a small family cemetary. Some do, some don't.



Oh well. A number of my placed caches are of historical location in some way. By not reading the cache description, I think the cacher has missed out. Then again, if the cacher is trying for as many as possible in a given amount of time, then it doesn't matter. Much like the SMR series....I'd be interested in knowing just how many actually read the descriptions. Those seem to be just a few words and I suspect that cachers doing the SMR most likely do not read the description.


With my caching style, I always read the description, generally on my laptop before loading to the GPSr, occasionally as paperless. Many descriptions will have warnings and useful information that makes the caching experience better and in some cases, safer.

To each their own. Have fun.

I almost added a "probably no need to bother" statement regarding these types of caches, but it's quite possible any of them could have a note limiting hours or landowner requested parking spot. Or, maybe someone's hunting bears from the guardrail. :)

I think it should be mandatory that bear hunters post flashing neon signs stating that they are hunting bear in the area so we know not to cache there, that way we don't need to take the time to post a note to our cache pages saying "hey you're in the woods, open your eyes".... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

...but what else is new? :) I have to agree with Brdad....read the cache description. I have one placed cache, GC1XX37 (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c0869293-83f7-4367-be25-c0770f3a541c#)that specifically recommends you to take the Bennett Road to the cache rather than a shortcut thru the campground.


YES! Directions to the cache area are one of the most important reasons to read the description. MANY times we have used Garmin to route us to the cache, only to find that we're 100 feet away - on the other side of a river. Or in a housing development - 200 feet away from the cache in the park behind the houses.


The cache owner writes the description for a reason. READ IT! :D:D

One more thing to mention...I load many caches into the Oregon and have the descriptions, and usually read them before doing the cache. Unfortunately, unless you do them the very day you go out things can change in a week ( possibly disabled for bear hunting) and there is no way to know. Lets say you were on a trip with a "loaded" Oregon. I know its bad bad bad to do it this way, but does everyone update each day they cache?

I know its bad bad bad to do it this way, but does everyone update each day they cache?

We do - and we consider it the BEST way - not "bad, bad, bad". Yes, many people will think it's inconvenient, but we like the most up-to-date data when we go out.

:D:D:D

Hunting attorneys for sport has lately become somewhat of a past time for people. Enough so that the government has stepped in with new laws limiting such things as who can hunt them, how many can be hunted, and by what means...

1. Any person with a valid State hunting license may harvest attorneys.

2. The taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of currency as bait is prohibited.

3. The killing of attorneys with a vehicle is prohibited. If accidentally struck, remove road kill to roadside, then proceed to nearest car wash.

4. It is unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a helicopter or other aircraft.

5. It shall be unlawful to shout, "whiplash," "ambulance!" or, "Free Perrier!" for the purposes of trapping attorneys.

6. It shall be unlawful to use cocaine, $100 bills, prostitutes, or vehicle accidents to attract attorneys.

7. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of whorehouses, health spas, ambulances, or hospitals.

8. If an attorney is elected to government office, there will be a $500 bounty on the pelt.

9. Stuffed or mounted attorneys must have a state health department inspection for rabies, vermin and contagious diseases.

10. It shall be illegal for a hunter to disguise himself as a reporter, drug dealer, pimp, female law clerk, sheep, accident victim, bookie, or tax accountant for the purposes of hunting attorneys.

Attorney Bag Limits:
Yellow-Bellied Sidewinder = 5
Hairless Civil Libertarian = 7
Skinny-Assed Ambulance Chaser = 12
Horse or Cattle Rustler Defender = 20
Silver-Tongued Murderer Defender = 50
Jack-Legged Divorce Litigator = No limit
Honest Attorney = Extinct :eek:

Now that's just funny! :D:D:D

Where r we...no, I meant it was bad bad bad to do it the way I was doing ii, ahead of time, but guess it didn't come across that way in my sentence. You way is definitely the best. If I was better and faster at the gsak process it would be great to do a fast update each time.....

Where r we...no, I meant it was bad bad bad to do it the way I was doing ii, ahead of time, but guess it didn't come across that way in my sentence. You way is definitely the best. If I was better and faster at the gsak process it would be great to do a fast update each time.....

For the people who do some caching every day or so, continual updates may be a hassle. But if you only go out a couple of days a week, it shouldn't be a problem at all. :D:D

Eki,
I don't see anything wrong posting a note on your pages regarding the bear hunts. It is the right thing to do to be respectful. (of landowers, of people who make their living in the woods and of other cachers). When we show respect, they will show us respect. What's hard to remember is there will always be a few 'bad apples' who won't read descriptions and also some who just won't be respectful no matter what anyone asks them to do. A friend once told me to just keep doing the right thing and when you do everything else falls into place. So you do what you know is right and thanks for doing it.

I was laughing out loud on Kev's post. But....some attorneys live on "compounds" with .50 caliber sniper rifles, full automatic .223's and an assortment of other firearms that would make most military posts jealous. So hunting is fair sport, desirable for the most part, but heck there's nothing wrong with my "shooting eye!"

Kev, when you're well, you have to come out and check out the firepower I have out here! And the confederate coehorn mortor and full scale howitzer are also an added attraction. lawyers with guns....look out!:D

I was laughing out loud on Kev's post. But....some attorneys live on "compounds" with .50 caliber sniper rifles, full automatic .223's and an assortment of other firearms that would make most military posts jealous. So hunting is fair sport, desirable for the most part, but heck there's nothing wrong with my "shooting eye!"

Kev, when you're well, you have to come out and check out the firepower I have out here! And the confederate coehorn mortor and full scale howitzer are also an added attraction. lawyers with guns....look out!:D

I'd love to.

I was laughing out loud on Kev's post. But....some attorneys live on "compounds" with .50 caliber sniper rifles, full automatic .223's and an assortment of other firearms that would make most military posts jealous. So hunting is fair sport, desirable for the most part, but heck there's nothing wrong with my "shooting eye!"

Kev, when you're well, you have to come out and check out the firepower I have out here! And the confederate coehorn mortor and full scale howitzer are also an added attraction. lawyers with guns....look out!:D

and to think that he is my neighbor!:D

Well at least you have someone to look after your a__ in case you need someone to look after it.....LOL

As one who's cache is at the heart of this matter I can say this: I made the requested changes to my cache page and had no issues with that. I want people to be respectful to others who are using the land. I must say this however: I had NO idea that anyone bear baited in this area. I had been to the location several times while DEER hunting and thought it nice. Bear hunters do not put up signs that I am aware of so how is one to know? Since placing the cache 2 years ago 3 people have been there, so its not like there is a major problem here. I gladly did what I was asked because to do otherwise would risk our ability to use this land. Case closed.

Sorry, HELLS GATE FALLS, in case anyone is curious.

This is one for the turkey hunters out there....I know technically you are supposed to report even just running over the stupid birds to game wardens as they are considered game and you need a permit to take them. Im assuming the same goes if you happen to be out caching, you see them and they are dumb enough to get close enough to wring their necks? I have had this situation happen and thought it would be fun to take a turkey by hand but at the same time, I wouldnt want to get arrested/ fined for poaching. The law is that you can't do ANYTHING to take them down, correct?

There are game laws that apply to the wild turkey. Those game laws set forth how, when and where wild turkeys can be hunted. Here is a link to the Maine Web site that sets forth those laws and guidelines.

http://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunting_trapping/index.htm

Actually, turkeys are rather smart, have the keenest eyesight of just about any other game birds and are a serious challenge to get them close enough to you to shoot one, assuming you're not one of those that blasts them out the window of your truck.

I represented a young fellow a couple of years ago that tried to intentionally run over a mess of them with his truck. Unfortunately for him, a neighbor was filming the birds at the exact moment he came by.

Turkeys are smart, they never spend a day in jail, let alone the week my client received.:rolleyes:





This is one for the turkey hunters out there....I know technically you are supposed to report even just running over the stupid birds to game wardens as they are considered game and you need a permit to take them. Im assuming the same goes if you happen to be out caching, you see them and they are dumb enough to get close enough to wring their necks? I have had this situation happen and thought it would be fun to take a turkey by hand but at the same time, I wouldnt want to get arrested/ fined for poaching. The law is that you can't do ANYTHING to take them down, correct?

Actually, turkeys are rather smart, have the keenest eyesight of just about any other game birds and are a serious challenge to get them close enough to you to shoot one, assuming you're not one of those that blasts them out the window of your truck.

I represented a young fellow a couple of years ago that tried to intentionally run over a mess of them with his truck. Unfortunately for him, a neighbor was filming the birds at the exact moment he came by.

Turkeys are smart, they never spend a day in jail, let alone the week my client received.:rolleyes:

.....everybody is entitled to a defense. :)

Lawyers usually flock to the opportunity to represent turkeys!

Actually, turkeys are rather smart, have the keenest eyesight of just about any other game birds and are a serious challenge to get them close enough to you to shoot one, assuming you're not one of those that blasts them out the window of your truck.

I represented a young fellow a couple of years ago that tried to intentionally run over a mess of them with his truck. Unfortunately for him, a neighbor was filming the birds at the exact moment he came by.

Turkeys are smart, they never spend a day in jail, let alone the week my client received.:rolleyes:

Can you say, "Idjit"?

Actually, turkeys are rather smart, have the keenest eyesight of just about any other game birds and are a serious challenge to get them close enough to you to shoot one, assuming you're not one of those that blasts them out the window of your truck.

I represented a young fellow a couple of years ago that tried to intentionally run over a mess of them with his truck. Unfortunately for him, a neighbor was filming the birds at the exact moment he came by.

Turkeys are smart, they never spend a day in jail, let alone the week my client received.:rolleyes:

You guys laugh, but my first Law Enforcement job was with the Penobscot County S.O. as a part time deputy/transport officer. I was sent down to Newport district court to pick up a prisoner and take him to Bangor. I was 23 at the time and was really shocked to find out that the guy I was putting the shackles on and taking north was a good friend of mine from high school.

He had just gotten a week for night hunting (I wasn't surprised at that) and on the ride up I asked him why in the heck did he do it. I'll never forget his reply. He said that he was driving to deer camp at around 4 a.m. when he looked into a field and saw "The biggest f'in buck I've ever seen in my life". He said he stopped his truck and backed up and the deer was still there. It stood still as he got out of his truck and grabbed his rifle, that's when he got suspicious. He told me that he started to think that it was one of those fake one's until he saw the ears twitch and some steam come out of the deers nose. He then took his shot, saw powder come out of the deer, set his gun on the ground and got down beside it. Said it was the most realistic thing he'd ever seen and he fell for it.

I digested this info for a while and sort of struggled with the fact that I was driving a buddy to jail. He finally said to me "you know what the damnedest thing is about this?" I said no and he replied "just before I pulled the trigger, I heard giggling" :rolleyes:

Actually, turkeys are rather smart, have the keenest eyesight of just about any other game birds and are a serious challenge to get them close enough to you to shoot one, assuming you're not one of those that blasts them out the window of your truck.

I represented a young fellow a couple of years ago that tried to intentionally run over a mess of them with his truck. Unfortunately for him, a neighbor was filming the birds at the exact moment he came by.

Turkeys are smart, they never spend a day in jail, let alone the week my client received.:rolleyes:

Oooh, I think I remember seeing this on the news! He drove right through a flock of turkeys that were in the middle of the road - that was quite a sight watching that on TV.

This fella was in my back yard last June. He was trying to catch the eye of a hen turkey under the bird feeder http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/pjpreb/th_IMG_0004_5.jpg?t=1285721682