View Full Version : Where is "Northern" Maine?



WhereRWe?
02-01-2011, 10:52 AM
Sheesh, I gotta admit that I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, so if my math is off somewhere, please let me know. But I really started wondering: Where does northern Maine start?

So. Lets assume the following facts:

Kittery (Maine's southernmost point?) is located at longitude N43.05
Fort Kent (Maine's northernmost point?) is located at longitude N47.15.
Since there are 60 minutes of longitude per degree, there are 250 minutes of longitude between Kittery and Fort Kent.

So the halfway point between Kittery and Fort Kent (the dividing line between northern and southern Maine) would be longitude N43.05 plus 125 minutes of longitude, or longitude N45.10. What is at N45.10? Lagrange, about 5 miles south of Milo (sorry Sudonim), or about 25 miles north of Bangor.

So... Bangor is in southern Maine.

:D:D

TRF
02-01-2011, 11:28 AM
Sheesh, I gotta admit that I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, so if my math is off somewhere, please let me know. But I really started wondering: Where does northern Maine start?

So. Lets assume the following facts:

Kittery (Maine's southernmost point?) is located at longitude N43.05
Fort Kent (Maine's northernmost point?) is located at longitude N47.15.
Since there are 60 minutes of longitude per degree, there are 250 minutes of longitude between Kittery and Fort Kent.

So the halfway point between Kittery and Fort Kent (the dividing line between northern and southern Maine) would be longitude N43.05 plus 125 minutes of longitude, or longitude N45.10. What is at N45.10? Lagrange, about 5 miles south of Milo (sorry Sudonim), or about 25 miles north of Bangor.

So... Bangor is in southern Maine.

:D:D


Center of Maine has nothing to do with any mathmatical equation. Look to the most immature person in your presence, for me it is my 6 year old, that is where the center of the universe is, therefore that is the center of Maine too. Don't believe me, just ask my 6 year old or who ever the most immature person in your presence happens to be.:D:D:D

Gob-ler
02-01-2011, 12:30 PM
You guys keep playing this where is the center of Maine thing. I do believe most folks look to the population as the basis for answering that question and if that is the case your attempted use of logical mathematical data is misapplied.

How about we calculate the miles of road across the state and use that as the datum for the argument? Even with the miles and miles of roads in Northern Maine that still puts the center of that datum somewhere quite south of Bangor.

brdad
02-01-2011, 12:53 PM
TRF: Don't expect that to change soon, mine is 22 years old and the results are similar!

cano
02-01-2011, 12:59 PM
TRF: Don't expect that to change soon, mine is 22 years old and the results are similar!

Must be genetic.

WhereRWe?
02-01-2011, 01:16 PM
I do believe most folks look to the population as the basis for answering that question and if that is the case your attempted use of logical mathematical data is misapplied.


Sheesh! I'll admit that I was born in New Hampshire and raised in Massachusetts, so my interpretation of "north" and "south" might be a little different. But I've never heard "north" and "south" being defined by population densities. LOL!

So are there more people in South Carolina than in North Carolina??? :confused:

JustKev
02-01-2011, 01:22 PM
Sheesh! I'll admit that I was born in New Hampshire and raised in Massachusetts

So, you're "from away"? Explains things.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

brdad
02-01-2011, 02:20 PM
Gob-ler is correct, many times population does play a part when deciding sections of an area, especially when financial issues are involved. And it does make some sense there.

But if we're talking caching here, using 50% of the whole population seems to make no sense at all. Most Mainers are not cachers. So should you use 50% of the cache hiding population, or 50% of all cachers, or active cachers?

I think geographical area makes the most sense, even better is cachable geographical area, i.e. Maine's geographical area minus areas which caches cannot be placed on. Good luck figuring that out.

One possible way to determine the line between north and south is to see how far you have to go south before the locals define Calais as "Up East Maine" as opposed to "Down East Maine." ;)

So if we're not talking about caching, use whatever NSEW guidelines you like. I've always considered Bangor to be Central Maine, being close to the geographical center.

As for caching, I'd like to make a proposal. All cachers south of the North Pole will cache happily together as one group and shun those north of the North Pole. I also propose no cacher north of the North Pole be allowed to be a board member!

surfacewarrior
02-01-2011, 03:07 PM
As someone who has only LIVED in Maine for 15 years I have always seen the differance in North Maine and South Maine ( northern Mass) as being a differance in the peoples attitudes. It happens somewhere around Augusta. Hallowell Southern Maine, Waterville Northern Maine. I was a Navy recruiter in Waterville and Augusta and was assigned both Franklin and Somerset counties. Franklin Southern, Somerset Northern. As a general rule of thumb, if someone say's to you "Lets go to the mall?" and you plan to go to Portland you are from Southern Maine, but if you plan to head to Bangor then you are from northern Maine. OH, and the county is an area all its own.
However I do realize it is Feb. in Maine and all of the computer lackey's out there are suffering from cabin fever so please keep up with all of the computations and let us all see your results.

WhereRWe?
02-01-2011, 03:40 PM
I think geographical area makes the most sense, even better is cachable geographical area, i.e. Maine's geographical area minus areas which caches cannot be placed on. Good luck figuring that out.


I'm not gonna try to figure that out - I'm just gonna agree that the terms "north" and "south" are more geographical than demographic. :D:D

Gob-ler
02-01-2011, 04:53 PM
OK, now here is another fly in the ointment. How does Down East enter into this whole discussion?

If your in Southern Maine (like Kittery or Portland) why do you have to go up Maine to go Downeast?

I think it is one of those Maine things going on here. As for the discussion on the North/South thing, I think that war has already been fought once. Now hold on a minute, that has to do with the Country. By the way, What exactly is Country?

Sabby
02-01-2011, 04:57 PM
Perhaps you can draw a Lat line such that the number of square miles to the south of it equals the number of square miles to the north of it. Of course you will have to decide on whether to do it at hiigh tide, low tide, or someplace in between. :)

Gob-ler
02-01-2011, 04:59 PM
Don't go trying to bring the tide into this rational discussion. We all know that is an up and down situation!

Sabby
02-01-2011, 05:00 PM
Don't go trying to bring the tide into this rational discussion. We all know that is an up and down situation!


Yes but it exposes more land at low tide.

Sabby
02-01-2011, 05:14 PM
We all know that is an up and down situation!

Which gets me to thinking :).

If it is a up down situation why do you say the tide comes in or the tide goes out.

But then again "It is a high tide or a low tide".

What about a spring tide or a neap tide.

brdad
02-01-2011, 05:29 PM
Now hold on a minute, that has to do with the Country. By the way, What exactly is Country?

That's it! We find two cachers, Mason and Dixon, and that's where the line is!

WhereRWe?
02-01-2011, 06:25 PM
By the way, What exactly is Country?

Sheesh! I don;t know - but I guarantee you won't find it in my "What Are You Listening To? (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4578&highlight=listening)" thread. LOL!

Ekidokai
02-01-2011, 07:06 PM
The natives have considered the Mason Dixon line Augusta. Most everyone in the state house considers anything above Augusta to be north and anything below Augusta to be south. Downeast comes from the boater types that had to ride the winds up north to get back downeast.

Downeasters will tell you the truth, and that is there are only a few points of civilization. Portland, Bangor, Presque Isle, Augusta. North and south mean nothing.

Tides will completely screw your calculations up because we have real tides in Downeast. 30 foot average tides. Kittery 10 maybe?

Gob-ler
02-01-2011, 09:18 PM
I am confused!

Ekidokai
02-01-2011, 09:31 PM
Just hold on real tight. It will smooth out pretty soon.

shuman road searchers
02-01-2011, 09:35 PM
So then what if my house sits directly on top of that line? Am I a southerner or a northerner?

brdad
02-01-2011, 09:45 PM
I am confused!

This is a common condition after listening to Ekidokai. This may bring you back to reality.

uRyIMqXA_o8

Ekidokai
02-02-2011, 12:32 AM
So then what if my house sits directly on top of that line? Am I a southerner or a northerner?

You get to pick.

fins2right
02-02-2011, 02:42 PM
A wise friend of mine once defined Southern Maine as "South and West of the Kennebec". I've always defined myself as a "Northern Mainer" due to graduating from high school in Hampden. However, I lived for years as a kid in Rumford and have spent the last 17 years or so in the Waterville area. Now I have a complex!

brdad
02-02-2011, 03:30 PM
Interesting given the fact the Kennebec starts near Moosehead lake! Coburn Gore is South and west of that, I never would have considered that Southern Maine!

It is also interesting how many ways we ca come up with to define the N-S lines, and no one seems concerned about E-W. And what about Central Maine, do we just leave that area out?

WhereRWe?
02-02-2011, 04:01 PM
And what about Central Maine, do we just leave that area out?

Sheesh! Doesn't your tagline stand for "Do Not Feed The Trolls"? :p:p

brdad
02-02-2011, 04:08 PM
Sheesh! Doesn't your tagline stand for "Do Not Feed The Trolls"? :p:p

I'm just saying, equal talk for all areas! As far as I am concerned, I have to drive to get to Northern Maine, I have to drive to get to Southern Maine, I have to drive to get to Eastern Maine, I have to drive to get to Western Maine, therefore I must not live in any of them. So I'm either Central Maine or I am Homeless! :D

WhereRWe?
02-02-2011, 04:29 PM
So I'm either Central Maine or I am Homeless! :D

Yeah - I always thought I lived in central Maine too, but I'm Hopeless...

:D:D

Gob-ler
02-02-2011, 05:16 PM
Hey BRDAD I agree with you! You are in Central Maine!

How about that!

Now, About that DownEast thing???

Northwoods Explorer
02-02-2011, 08:55 PM
I always figured anything south of Houlton was southern Maine.:) And the tide for the nearest ocean waters is only about 15 inches up here. Only difference is you guys have snow this winter and all we get is cold and an inch or so of snow every once and a while.

Sudonim
02-02-2011, 09:01 PM
Only difference is you guys have snow this winter and all we get is cold and an inch or so of snow every once and a while.

Ouch, you northerners play rough:p

Northwoods Explorer
02-03-2011, 06:34 AM
If we could have just a bit of snow we would be happy. Yesterday's storm was one of the big ones this we as we got 3 inches so that we now have about 10 inches on the ground. Big ski race tomorrow and we had to haul snow to make the course.:confused:

Hiram357
02-03-2011, 07:22 AM
If we could have just a bit of snow we would be happy. Yesterday's storm was one of the big ones this we as we got 3 inches so that we now have about 10 inches on the ground. Big ski race tomorrow and we had to haul snow to make the course.:confused:

Wish I would've known, I have a bunch of snow that I would've sold em real cheap! :D:D

JFamilySebec
02-03-2011, 09:47 AM
As for caching, I'd like to make a proposal. All cachers south of the North Pole will cache happily together as one group and shun those north of the North Pole. I also propose no cacher north of the North Pole be allowed to be a board member!

Haha! Sorry Santa, you can't be on the board! But he can still cache with us right?......

Gob-ler
02-03-2011, 01:08 PM
Humm, I know this, Presque Isle is in Northern Maine!

I am no expert, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night!

tat
02-03-2011, 01:18 PM
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sd1_today.jpg

fins2right
02-03-2011, 01:54 PM
http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/snow_model/images/full/South/nsm_depth/201102/nsm_depth_2011020305_South.jpg

I think I see a solution to my problem. :)

Sudonim
02-03-2011, 04:21 PM
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sd1_today.jpg

Tom, how come you drew a bullseye on Bangor?:eek:

WhereRWe?
02-03-2011, 05:19 PM
I'm not a religious person, but I have to wonder why southern Maine has 25-30 inches of snow, while northern Maine has 6-12. :confused::confused:

brdad
02-03-2011, 05:56 PM
I'm not a religious person, but I have to wonder why southern Maine has 25-30 inches of snow, while northern Maine has 6-12. :confused::confused:

Easy to explain! Global Weirding! (http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/global_weirding/)

Ekidokai
02-04-2011, 12:31 AM
Non of that! NON OF THAT!!!!!

Although it is really cool.

brdad
02-04-2011, 07:32 AM
Non of that! NON OF THAT!!!!!

Although it is really cool.

You, Mike, are the King of Global Weirding! :D

Mainiac1957
02-04-2011, 07:33 AM
You, Mike, are the King of Global Weirding!

Twice!!



Well you did say...

brdad
02-04-2011, 07:34 AM
Dang, you're fast. I took me all of 20 seconds to delete that double post!

Mainiac1957
02-04-2011, 07:35 AM
Dang, you're fast. I took me all of 20 seconds to delete that double post!

What double post :rolleyes: