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lexmano
02-13-2011, 02:27 AM
I originally posted this in the Suggestion Box 2/10. It was moved to a private thread. I have asked to have it placed in a public spot so the issues raised can be addressed. It has not been. So, since I still do not know why it was deemed inappropriate I am reposting it.

If that is deemed inappropriate, please allow this to be discussed openly.

My original post.

" Posts disappearing Earlier today I noticed a post that made the assertion that the Board makes no decisions. This is simply not true.

I followed that post with a copy of the Board's announcement that it had determined that Chadd Roper was not eligible to serve on the Board and they were going to exclude his name from the list of candidates. Perhaps I am naive, but that seems like a decision to me.

My post was cordial, not profane or offensive in my opinion.

The post I respond to and my reply have been deleted. There has been no communication with me concerning the posting. I have not been advised why it was apparently deemed inappropriate.

I did not make a copy of the post in question as I had no expectation that it would provoke such a response. I have learned, and I will keep a copy of this. I request that this matter be reviewed.

My suggestion for the future is that when the moderators, board or whoever determine a post needs to be deleted that the poster be advised clearly why the action is being taken. This could avoid situations like this where I have no idea what was found so offensive that my post needed to be removed.

What a more appropriate response might have been was for the poster who asserted that the Board takes no actions to admit he was incorrect and clarify the record.

Ed"

shuman road searchers
02-13-2011, 06:29 AM
My suggestion for the future is that when the moderators, board or whoever determine a post needs to be deleted that the poster be advised clearly why the action is being taken. This could avoid situations like this where I have no idea what was found so offensive that my post needed to be removed.

I would hope that if any person posted something here that was found to be offensive by the moderators, especially if it was an isolated incident, that the moderators would let that person know why.

brdad
02-13-2011, 08:25 AM
I moved the original copy of this post to the feedback area, and Lex was told why and that it was going to be left to Rick to move it back if he thought I erred in my decision to do so. I have his backing on my actions.

I knew I had not deleted any posts and never noticed the posts in question. So I searched for them with no luck, but this morning I found them (thanks Brad). The problem is, Lexmano, you replied the posts were in Foxglove's thread, but they turned out to be in the My thoughts (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5109) thread.

Specifically, this is the post Lexmano replied to:



I know as for myself since the Board's "tone" has changed I have posted far less than I have in the past . . .

Sheesh, Jake! "The Board's "tone" has changed"??? :confused::confused:

Show me where the Advisory Board has stated a position on anything! LOL!

That post still exists. Lexmano's reply was deleted by Rick, and included a title of "Bruce, this looks like a position, stated loudly!" and the post was simply a quote from the voting thread stating a member was not on the ballot and that inquiries on that matter should be addressed to the feedback area.

Perhaps your post did not have to be deleted, that is Rick's place to decide. But I am not sure why you (Lexmano) insist a post made in jest by another member needs to be corrected? IMO, you are taking this post out of context.

dubord207
02-13-2011, 08:38 AM
I think the point that Ed makes that might be lost in the "technical" version of what did or didn't happen is that his post was "moderated" for lack of a better term and no explaination was offered. That is just a bad practice and one that shouldn't happen again. A private note to the poster from the moderator or board as to the reason for a deletion needs to be the prescribed way to do this in the future. I think a few folks got overly "caught up" in the issues generated by Chadd's status and thus the haste to quiet things down.

I don't see a need to debate the specifics of what happened to lexmano's post. It was something the members here couldn't see, thus he should have been promptly provided with a reason for this decision. I would hate to see this happen again as loosing a great and thoughtful cacher like Jim Horowich is not a good thing. II hope the new board addresses this quickly and completely and provides clear guidance as to what will be expected of folks that post and those charged with the responsibility of scrutinizing the posts.

JustKev
02-13-2011, 10:03 AM
I've been trying to stay out of this in hopes that it would die down and we could move on to more topics revolving around geocaching.

I saw both posts in question and, even if it's not the popular line, I agree with actions taken. I had no way of knowing, before now, who removed the original post of Lexmano's. When it first hit the forum my immediate feeling was that it was a post that would have been more appropriate if it had been addressed to the board behind the scenes. I understand the decision that one of the nominees was deemed to be ineligible was an incredibly controversial decision. However, the only way that decision could have come to the conclusion it did was by a majority of the board members votes. If Rick removed the post, it would appear that he felt it was inappropriate.

Moving the second post to the board's area would appear to be a move to try to keep a hot issue from becoming all consuming. I understand the request was made to the board area that it be moved back to the open forums. It's obvious that request hasn't had the answer expected or desired otherwise this thread wouldn't be here. Makes me think of a scene from a movie: "I object." "Overruled." "I strenuously object."

Do these posts and this controversy help or hinder geocaching?

Rick has stated that this is our forum, not his. Still, Rick is the person behind the scenes that's keeping this forum online. Here's a "what if" for everyone to ponder. What if Rick comes to the point where all this controversy isn't worth the time and effort he puts into our forum? Who is going to step and and still do the marvelous job Rick has done and never complain about what it's costing out of their pocket?

Let's just move on and get the vote done for the board and keep this forum on track with what it was intended for, the advancement of geocaching in Maine. This isn't the proper place to air differences of opinion over proper cache placement, it isn't the place to air differences of opinion over how poorly moderated the forum is, it isn't the place to belittle other cachers in any fashion. Just like momma used to say, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

brdad
02-13-2011, 10:55 AM
I think the point that Ed makes that might be lost in the "technical" version of what did or didn't happen is that his post was "moderated" for lack of a better term and no explaination was offered.

There is a provision in post editing and deletions to state why they are moderated, but it is not mandatory (must like the subject in an email is not mandatory). I think it is a good idea and do my best to state the reason, but it does get skipped sometimes. Sure, the process can be improved upon, but in hectic times things can happen, we are all human.

pm28570
02-13-2011, 11:17 AM
I've been trying to stay out of this in hopes that it would die down and we could move on to more topics revolving around geocaching.

I saw both posts in question and, even if it's not the popular line, I agree with actions taken. I had no way of knowing, before now, who removed the original post of Lexmano's. When it first hit the forum my immediate feeling was that it was a post that would have been more appropriate if it had been addressed to the board behind the scenes. I understand the decision that one of the nominees was deemed to be ineligible was an incredibly controversial decision. However, the only way that decision could have come to the conclusion it did was by a majority of the board members votes. If Rick removed the post, it would appear that he felt it was inappropriate.

Moving the second post to the board's area would appear to be a move to try to keep a hot issue from becoming all consuming. I understand the request was made to the board area that it be moved back to the open forums. It's obvious that request hasn't had the answer expected or desired otherwise this thread wouldn't be here. Makes me think of a scene from a movie: "I object." "Overruled." "I strenuously object."

Do these posts and this controversy help or hinder geocaching?

Rick has stated that this is our forum, not his. Still, Rick is the person behind the scenes that's keeping this forum online. Here's a "what if" for everyone to ponder. What if Rick comes to the point where all this controversy isn't worth the time and effort he puts into our forum? Who is going to step and and still do the marvelous job Rick has done and never complain about what it's costing out of their pocket?

Let's just move on and get the vote done for the board and keep this forum on track with what it was intended for, the advancement of geocaching in Maine. This isn't the proper place to air differences of opinion over proper cache placement, it isn't the place to air differences of opinion over how poorly moderated the forum is, it isn't the place to belittle other cachers in any fashion. Just like momma used to say, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
Well said. Period.

WhereRWe?
02-13-2011, 03:01 PM
Earlier today I noticed a post that made the assertion that the Board makes no decisions. This is simply not true.


Actually, I was just being facetious. I did not recall the fact that the board had determined that CARoperPhotography was deemed to be ineligible to be a candidate for Advisory Board or I would not have made that statement. Old age is creeping up on me...

dubord207
02-13-2011, 03:21 PM
In all due respect to my friends Kevin and Paul, these discussions, though tedious at times, relate to the once a year election of a board to this site. Clearly the who and how of this selection process has little to do with geocacaching and more to do about what the members expect of this site. To the extent that the new board will no doubt have to at least try to come up with guidelines so this crap doesn't happen again, then it's relevant, to a "t." I think it's not unfair to ask prospective board members if they feel the elegibility issue and subsequent response to inquiries was handled both fairly and within some stated guidelines.

If the response is that these decisions were made only by Rick, then that's the end of it.

In my world, decisions made by the judges are supported by facts and rules so maybe it's just my profession driving my curiosity.

WhereRWe?
02-13-2011, 03:37 PM
To the extent that the new board will no doubt have to at least try to come up with guidelines so this crap doesn't happen again, then it's relevant, to a "t."

Keep in mind that the Advisory Board was not established to "run" the website. It was established to be the final arbiter on questions raised by the GCM.org members, such as selection of design for a GCM.org geocoin. The establishment of guidelines should be done by a poll of GCM.org members, managed by the Advisory Board, i.e., suggesting guidelines to be included in the poll. I would actively oppose any expansion of the Advisory Board's purview.

:D:D

Haffy
02-13-2011, 03:42 PM
I originally posted this in the Suggestion Box 2/10. It was moved to a private thread. I have asked to have it placed in a public spot so the issues raised can be addressed. It has not been. So, since I still do not know why it was deemed inappropriate I am reposting it.

If that is deemed inappropriate, please allow this to be discussed openly.

My original post.

" Posts disappearing Earlier today I noticed a post that made the assertion that the Board makes no decisions. This is simply not true.

I followed that post with a copy of the Board's announcement that it had determined that Chadd Roper was not eligible to serve on the Board and they were going to exclude his name from the list of candidates. Perhaps I am naive, but that seems like a decision to me.

My post was cordial, not profane or offensive in my opinion.

The post I respond to and my reply have been deleted. There has been no communication with me concerning the posting. I have not been advised why it was apparently deemed inappropriate.

I did not make a copy of the post in question as I had no expectation that it would provoke such a response. I have learned, and I will keep a copy of this. I request that this matter be reviewed.

My suggestion for the future is that when the moderators, board or whoever determine a post needs to be deleted that the poster be advised clearly why the action is being taken. This could avoid situations like this where I have no idea what was found so offensive that my post needed to be removed.

What a more appropriate response might have been was for the poster who asserted that the Board takes no actions to admit he was incorrect and clarify the record.

Ed"

Now you know how I felt. I just changed my whole exchange so as to not offend anyone.

Mainiac1957
02-13-2011, 03:51 PM
And silly me... I thought you were the "Southern Folk" now :cool::rolleyes::p

attroll
02-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Keep in mind that the Advisory Board was not established to "run" the website. It was established to be the final arbiter on questions raised by the GCM.org members, such as selection of design for a GCM.org geocoin.
Wow, I don't know where this came from. Do you know something different that I don't?

Team2hunt
02-13-2011, 04:21 PM
Wow, I don't know where this came from. Do you know something different that I don't?

Sheesh.....

dubord207
02-13-2011, 05:12 PM
Not helpful, not pertinent, not current and not necessary. Didn't you throw a rock at me when I was in the fifth grade? C'mon John! Resist the temptation next time, please.



Now you know what it felt like to have your posts removed just like I and a couple of others felt when their posts were removed from the other website from Southern Maine and was given not an iota of notice as to why they were removed. Sound familiar? Just couldn't resist the opportunity to reciprocate for the treatment I was given by the southern folk.

Gob-ler
02-13-2011, 06:08 PM
Now you know what it felt like to have your posts removed just like I and a couple of others felt when their posts were removed from the other website from Southern Maine and was given not an iota of notice as to why they were removed. Sound familiar? Just couldn't resist the opportunity to reciprocate for the treatment I was given by the southern folk.

Haffy, for some reason you just can't resist bringing this old stuff up. I am not going to go there except to say that there were things done on both sides that probably should not have been done. Lets just say that there were posts deleted/modified on both sides along with the hacking of the other groups site by some very well known folks that frequent here.

The best thing to do is let the sleeping dogs be. Whether you know it or not, you just spoke volumes of just what kind of person you are. Vengefulness is not a good thing. If you want to talk about the past maybe we should start a new thread and have at it. I am sure there is enough stuff lingering around out there on hard drives and such that it could be most interesting especially in light of this conversation.

You really should not have said anything Haffy. How big of you!

brdad
02-13-2011, 06:39 PM
You're a good friend, John, but Dan & Dick are correct - Not the thread; not the time.

Team2hunt
02-13-2011, 07:14 PM
You're a good friend, John, but Dan & Dick are correct - Not the thread; not the time.

so why not make the post...." disappear "

brdad
02-13-2011, 08:40 PM
so why not make the post...." disappear "

The way I read it, the current policy does not allow moderators strict control of posts being on topic unless the thread originator specifies. I do wish more threads would stay on topic, and wish more thread originators request it for threads of importance. I have had one member make such a request on one thread in a year.


Staying on topic can be difficult. If the originator of the thread would like for the thread to remain on topic, a message indicating this at the time the original post is made should be included in the statement. If the thread veers off topic beyond what the thread originator is comfortable with, that individual should make a post asking that the thread return to the topic. Moderators are available to assist as well and can be contacted by the thread originator.

Mapachi
02-14-2011, 10:07 AM
All of this is why I only come to this site once a month or so.

I'll be back sometime in March to see what's new.

Have fun Boys and girls ..... NO BITING OR KICKING!

WhereRWe?
02-14-2011, 11:30 AM
Wow, I don't know where this came from. Do you know something different that I don't?

Sheesh is right! It's always been that way, Rick! This is one of the reasons we spent so much time talking about what we were going to call it - "advisory" being the operative word. :D:D

I'll send you the link to the discussions.

Mainiac1957
02-14-2011, 04:55 PM
All of this is why I only come to this site once a month or so.

I'll be back sometime in March to see what's new.

Have fun Boys and girls ..... NO BITING OR KICKING!

I was actually just thinking to myself today that I hadn't seen you in here lately. Nor at any recent events. Hope you stop by Big G's on Saturday. It will be good to see you.;)

dubord207
02-14-2011, 05:34 PM
I am trying to coax him into letting me bring him to WWWWWWWW as my "date." We'll see.

Sudonim
02-14-2011, 07:38 PM
I am trying to coax him into letting me bring him to WWWWWWWW as my "date." We'll see.

You two are sitting on the grooms side I hope :p

JustKev
02-15-2011, 07:38 AM
All of this is why I only come to this site once a month or so.

I'll be back sometime in March to see what's new.

Have fun Boys and girls ..... NO BITING OR KICKING!

.....I hope you voted for the board members.

And, for goodness sake, I hope you didn't vote for dubord207. I mean, OMG, he's a *LAWYER* after all!!!! :eek:

Besides, I need more votes than he does.

Kaching Karen
02-15-2011, 04:54 PM
If I create a forum thread, can I moderate it myself? I know I did a serious post on Winter Camping and wanted input. Mainiac1957 was on the right track with a post, and it swayed slightly after that. At this point I see no reason to delete any posts, but if I want add to the post and have it refocus on the topic, it would be real nice to take out the posts that don't stay on topic. Just a thought.

brdad
02-15-2011, 05:04 PM
If I create a forum thread, can I moderate it myself? I know I did a serious post on Winter Camping and wanted input. Mainiac1957 was on the right track with a post, and it swayed slightly after that. At this point I see no reason to delete any posts, but if I want add to the post and have it refocus on the topic, it would be real nice to take out the posts that don't stay on topic. Just a thought.

I don't think the forum software can be set up that way, and it'd probably be abused by some if it were possible. But feel free to request in the thread you want it to stay on topic and Rick or myself can help from that point. Maybe a method can be worked up, like if you wanted a topic to be moderated for topic, "OT:" could be added before th thread title. I'll have to see what Rick thinks, maybe he has a better idea.

dufzor
02-15-2011, 08:43 PM
If I create a forum thread, can I moderate it myself? I know I did a serious post on Winter Camping and wanted input. Mainiac1957 was on the right track with a post, and it swayed slightly after that. At this point I see no reason to delete any posts, but if I want add to the post and have it refocus on the topic, it would be real nice to take out the posts that don't stay on topic. Just a thought.
I was the poster who took the topic off post. :o I am sorry about that and have sent an email apologizing to Kaching Karen. I must admit, I am not sure when it is okay to be playful and when I must absolutely be on post. In reading through other topics, there seems to be a fair amount of off post comments which have added to the sense of familiiarity and community, and others that have been hostile and disruptive and many in between. Are there guidelines to follow?

JustKev
02-15-2011, 09:42 PM
I was the poster who took the topic off post. :o I am sorry about that and have sent an email apologizing to Kaching Karen. I must admit, I am not sure when it is okay to be playful and when I must absolutely be on post. In reading through other topics, there seems to be a fair amount of off post comments which have added to the sense of familiiarity and community, and others that have been hostile and disruptive and many in between. Are there guidelines to follow?

It helps if the thread originator says in the original post that they want it to stay on topic. If that's missing, sometimes someone will ask that the posts stay on topic as they begin to stray. Other times, once it's gone astray, another post will gently nudge it back in the right direction. That post might come from just about anyone.

In a nutshell, feel free to toss a little light banter in any thread that seems it would be okay to. Others, try to stay on topic. You'll get a better feel for it as you go.

In the mean time, some people will pay you money to derail any threads started by either dubord207 or Ekidokai.

:eek:

Kaching Karen
02-16-2011, 06:38 AM
I was the poster who took the topic off post. :o I am sorry about that and have sent an email apologizing to Kaching Karen. I must admit, I am not sure when it is okay to be playful and when I must absolutely be on post. In reading through other topics, there seems to be a fair amount of off post comments which have added to the sense of familiiarity and community, and others that have been hostile and disruptive and many in between. Are there guidelines to follow?

And your apology is accepted.... :)

I'll be nudging that forum back to topic soon. I think it's an important one.

brdad
02-16-2011, 08:58 AM
And your apology is accepted.... :)

I'll be nudging that forum back to topic soon. I think it's an important one.

Karen, I actually have an even better idea. Why not start a Winter camping article? You can edit it indefinitely, and as people post you can add the useful information to the article. All the useful information is right there in one "post". Your current thread can even be moved over to the articles section so you have a head start if you like.

Articles (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49) are a great way keep useful information handy, I'd love to see more members create them. Just one more way to contribute!

Kaching Karen
02-16-2011, 01:41 PM
Karen, I actually have an even better idea. Why not start a Winter camping article? You can edit it indefinitely, and as people post you can add the useful information to the article. All the useful information is right there in one "post". Your current thread can even be moved over to the articles section so you have a head start if you like.

Articles (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49) are a great way keep useful information handy, I'd love to see more members create them. Just one more way to contribute!

I was actually thinking about that, but do want more input from members. I am not the "expert" on winter camping. So.... a combination of the two might work. Post it on a forum, for input, and also as an article and add to it as people make suggestions. I'm a little busy right now, but will have some time in 47 hours (not that I'm counting the hours to Winter Break). Thanks!

brdad
02-16-2011, 04:40 PM
Karen, people can still post ideas in the form of replies to the article, and then you can add the ideas to the article as needed. Unlike regular forum posts, you can edit them a month or more from now.