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Mainiac1957
03-01-2011, 06:35 PM
Here is an excerpt I copied:


The following is from one of the COs:

I'm afraid I have some news that will be disappointing to you. The Nevada DOT has demanded that the ET Hwy series be immediately archived and the Nevada Attorney General is involved. We will have a group of admins working on this project since it is so big, and request ...that you help by archiving some of them yourself. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding."

Even after we had this issue resolved, the continued careless negligence of so many cachers has finally done this trail in. The ET caches are all being archived as we speak. If cachers continue this type of unsafe and uncaring behavior, I'm sure other trails will be in jeopardy as well. A few bad apples sure did spoil the bunch!

WhereRWe?
03-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Even after we had this issue resolved, the continued careless negligence of so many cachers has finally done this trail in. The ET caches are all being archived as we speak. If cachers continue this type of unsafe and uncaring behavior, I'm sure other trails will be in jeopardy as well. A few bad apples sure did spoil the bunch!

What was the issue? Can you provide a link to a discussion on this? :confused:

Team2hunt
03-01-2011, 06:45 PM
I have also seen in the news recently that the rails to trails from Westbrook to Standish will soon again have it's rails laid and train service will be back. There will be no room for the walking trail alongside the rails, so it will have to be discontinued. This was in no part an issue with geocaching, but part of the stimulus package voted on by Maine citizens.

So in this case it will be ....trails to rails. I plan on getting as many of the caches done along the trail before they start the construction on the first 5 miles.

Mainiac1957
03-01-2011, 07:44 PM
What was the issue? Can you provide a link to a discussion on this? :confused:
This was something i picked up on Facebook today. Don't remember where exactly.

brdad
03-01-2011, 07:52 PM
What was the issue? Can you provide a link to a discussion on this? :confused:

There have been a few threads going in the national forums. Do a search for highway and they'll be at the top.

....................

Any bets on whether I am surprised or not? :D

That aside, what disturbs me the most is a few people are blaming the cachers finding the series. These caches were placed to be found quickly and in big numbers, and anyone should assume that is going to increase the chance of finders cutting all the corners they can to do so. For anyone to suggest the series was placed thinking all cachers would thoughtfully and casually do each one in this series is foolish IMO.

dubord207
03-06-2011, 08:10 AM
I haven't looked at the national forums, rarely do, but I did do 200 of these caches and have a few thoughts about what likely happened.

The ET Highway is remote and mostly straight as straight can be in most places. The shoulder of the road slopes away from the paved portion in a very gentle slope. Pulling entirely off the road to access the caches is what I did. When I exited the car there was a solid 10 feet of shoulder between the driver's side of the car and the pavement.

Many of the caches were hidden 25 to 40 feet away from the paved part of the road. Geotrails would have been unlikely as there is only low growth plants so trampling on these probably wasn't the issue. Many film cannisters were hidden in under small rock piles put together by the CO.

But many were also placed in the nook at the bottom of highway sign/markers. For these and for those in a "hurry" the tempation would have been high to just pull along side the sign and not leave the driving lane especially if you had passengers who could jump out and have the cache right at their feet. This wouldn't be a problem safety wise for most of these caches but then there are those located on the rare corners and slopes. I'm sure this is why the highway department got involved because most of the vehicular traffic I saw was largely commercial trucks and with a 75 MPH speed limit, cars stopped for caches in the travel lane in a corner would have created a very dangerous condition. This must have been the issue.

While not for all, I really enjoyed the raw beauty of the area and the opportunity to do so many caches by myself in one day. As always, it's usually the inconsiderate practices of a very small minority that can ruin it the rest of us.

brdad
03-06-2011, 08:16 AM
One would also assume, Dan, that if there was a need for snowplows on the road, there was probably snow build up on the road, so most people would probably not dare pull of to the side too far anyway.

I think this is an issue with many roadside caches, but it's amplified when you have so many on one road.

brdad
03-20-2011, 07:55 PM
Here lies the remains of the ET series:

http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=572&stc=1&d=1300665199

Fins_Up
03-20-2011, 09:11 PM
Another large series along Rt. 66 out there has 800 caches and some have a note in the description that warns cachers not to let happen to this series what happened to the ET series. I would love to head out there for a few days and just see how many I could get.

dufzor
03-21-2011, 02:33 AM
Another large series along Rt. 66 out there has 800 caches and some have a note in the description that warns cachers not to let happen to this series what happened to the ET series. I would love to head out there for a few days and just see how many I could get.
You know, I have had a Rt 66 trip on my Bucket List for a few years but have only done 300 miles of it. It was going to be a photography trip and I could see it lasting several weeks. That was in my pre-geocaching days. I can only imagine how long it would take to finish the 2500ish miles between the photography, exploring every abandoned building, and the caching! :eek:

msteelee
03-21-2011, 07:38 AM
Pack a big lunch, Fins-Up!

pm28570
04-22-2011, 01:46 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/22/conspiracy-theory-why-really-did-nevada-remove-geocaches/
The saga/mystery continues.

brdad
04-22-2011, 02:05 PM
Since the E.T. cache was laid, they tell me there had been over 7,000 U.S. citizens logged in there and more than 1,000 Canadians. That's a lot of people."

Funny they are trying to claim 8000 people got rooms after the ET caches were placed, and yet there are only a bit over 800 cachers log the caches. I don't buy that geocachers were that much of a permanent boom to the local economy.

shuman road searchers
04-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Funny they are trying to claim 8000 people got rooms after the ET caches were placed, and yet there are only a bit over 800 cachers log the caches. I don't buy that geocachers were that much of a permanent boom to the local economy.

I can see where the number could be much bigger. If I were to have gone there caching it would have been with the family and that would have been 3 logging in only as 1.

brdad
04-22-2011, 06:31 PM
I can see where the number could be much bigger. If I were to have gone there caching it would have been with the family and that would have been 3 logging in only as 1.

I thought of that, but that'd mean an average of 10 people per group! And I'm assuming all people in those groups are not going to stay in different rooms.

RJB43NH
04-24-2011, 12:17 AM
Fins_Up-"Another large series along Rt. 66 out there has 800 caches and some have a note in the description that warns cachers not to let happen to this series what happened to the ET series. I would love to head out there for a few days and just see how many I could get."As of a few days ago the RT66 series between Barstow and Needles, CA, was up and running and we (JEM3 and I) only had to replace about 7 obviously missing film containers to complete the series. We were doing better than 1 cache per minute over much of the run. We cached about 10 hours/day and that included a break for lunch. The number of finds on the 18th was about 625. The series is well worth trying if you're interested in seeing how many you can do in a day. I wouldn't want to do it every day though.

An interesting problem surfaced when using 'field notes' to log the finds. It does make it easy but the programmers didn't anticipate finding caches that fast and although the Garmin 62s records the finds properly to the second, GroundSpeak only recognizes and shows 1 find for each minute so you have to make sure it doesn't skip any of you finds. Where the RT66 series is numbered sequentially it is easy to see the missing caches and manually log them.

surfacewarrior
04-25-2011, 11:08 AM
Funny they are trying to claim 8000 people got rooms after the ET caches were placed, and yet there are only a bit over 800 cachers log the caches. I don't buy that geocachers were that much of a permanent boom to the local economy.

is that 800 total or 800 that did the complete series?

brdad
04-25-2011, 11:25 AM
is that 800 total or 800 that did the complete series?

Right now 822 have logged the first cache in the series. That is where I got my number from, I put that cache on my watch when it was placed anticipating it was worth watching. I just scanned through a bunch of the other caches, most appear to have less finds, around 600. The last one in the series has 525 finds. #636 has 489 finds. I'm betting only a very small percentage completed the entire series. I'd bet the majority did not even find half. So, using that thinking, many of the cachers were probably only there for a day, and may not have even gotten a room.

dubord207
04-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Having stopped twice in Alamo NV doing my 200, I would suggest that the town looked less vibrant then East Vassalboro! I grabbed a sandwich and gassed up at the only ma/pa store and the lady asked if I was there to geocache! The economic boost may have been less then TARP, but it was clear from my visit that they welcomed geocachers with open arms. The two hotels in the area were not exactly Hampton Inns but I was told that the business from the geocachers was much appreciated. That said, I'm not surprised the NDOT recognized that stopped cars in the driving lane was not good. Sad, because there was a huge, I mean 20 to 30 foot area that we would call a shoulder. Lazy cachers=archived caches.





Right now 822 have logged the first cache in the series. That is where I got my number from, I put that cache on my watch when it was placed anticipating it was worth watching. I just scanned through a bunch of the other caches, most appear to have less finds, around 600. The last one in the series has 525 finds. #636 has 489 finds. I'm betting only a very small percentage completed the entire series. I'd bet the majority did not even find half. So, using that thinking, many of the cachers were probably only there for a day, and may not have even gotten a room.