View Full Version : Would you pay cash to cache?



Fins_Up
04-06-2011, 01:04 PM
I recently found a place that has trails available in the summer and winter for hiking, skiing and snowshoeing as well as cabins and such for camping. I noticed that they offered geocaching on the trails and you could get a patch for completing all the caches. I checked gc.com and found that the caches were not listed so I contacted the manager. He said it was more of a treasure hunt type of things but was interested in what I was saying. He indicated that they suggest a $5 donation when using the trails and thought that would drive people away. I thought about it for a bit and decided to pose the question here. Would you or have you paid to get admission to a place to go geocaching? Would it result in better caches do to the probability of less muggle activity or issues?

brdad
04-06-2011, 01:26 PM
There are two sides to this question.
Would you pay to find caches?
Would you pay to find caches not listed on Geocaching.com?

We've paid to access areas before in order to locate a gc.com cache, so if these caches were gc.com caches and appeared to be interesting I would donate to do the caches.

If it were not listed on gc.com, I might still do them if I was fairly sure they were decent. I like to be able to have a record of my adventures.

If they were asking for a donation, it probably would drive a few away. But placing a cache isn't about getting every cacher to come log it. It's about giving a memorable experience to the cachers that do come to find it.

masterson of the universe
04-06-2011, 01:37 PM
I can see responses in two directions on this one. There are going to be those that wouldnt do them, not because you have to pay to do them, but because they don't care to do caches that aren't on GC.com and they dont get credit for them. This isn't right or wrong, its just the way they play the game, and if they arent listed by Groundspeak, technically, they aren't part of the game.
By all means, if I was using the land, I'd be fine paying for an activity like caching with family. I'm assuming the land is private property, so someone has to maintain the property (trails, cabins, caches, any bathroom facilities)someone has to be paid to make the patches for completion, and quite possibly, someone had to pay to establish a collection of GPSr's, why would $5 be a big deal? No, they may not be on GC.com but who cares? If you didnt have a GPSr or didnt plan on caching during the trip (rare case im sure) and wanted to try it, what better way to see if its something you like?

Fins_Up
04-06-2011, 02:12 PM
Great responses so far! I was posing the question with the assumption that they would be on GC.com.

brdad
04-06-2011, 03:44 PM
You may have to check with the particulars that listing these caches o gc.com will not be considered a commercial cache.


Solicitation and Commercial Content
Geocaches do not solicit for any purpose. Geocaches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is intended to be a light and enjoyable family-friendly hobby, not a platform for an agenda.
Commercial caches are disallowed. As a general rule, reviewers will not publish cache pages that seem commercial. A commercial cache has one or more of the following characteristics:
It requires the finder to go inside a business, interact with employees and/or purchase a product or service.
It has overtones of advertising, marketing or promotion.
It contains links to businesses, commercial advertisers, charities, political agendas or social agendas.
It contains the logo of a business or organization, including non-profit organizations.
The name of a business or commercial product is on the cache page.
On very rare occasions, Groundspeak makes an exception for a commercial cache. Arrangements are made before placement. If your cache is commercial in any way, please contact Groundspeak for clarification about how to comply with cache listing guidelines.

Ekidokai
04-06-2011, 11:36 PM
I have paid fees to cache and the caches are just as good as any other. It's the adventure that interests me.

shuman road searchers
04-07-2011, 05:33 AM
I think we all pay to cache. Yes, I have paid to enter state parks but what about the gas to get there and to that GR down the road? I have spent all day out before and had to eat which I paid for. I understand the question but in the end I think we all pay to cache.

JustKev
04-07-2011, 07:08 AM
I think we all pay to cache. Yes, I have paid to enter state parks but what about the gas to get there and to that GR down the road? I have spent all day out before and had to eat which I paid for. I understand the question but in the end I think we all pay to cache.

And don't forget that inexpensive portion of the equation, your GPS. We've spent close to $1,000.00 in learning which units work best for us. I goofed and bought a Magellan (GASP) but reformed and bought a Garmin Oregon 450. Loaned the Magellan to my sister......maybe she'll get more involved in caching. Then we decided to get a Nuvi. Then....well....let's think about what we all spend on computers. Who else bought a laptop just because they were geocaching? Okay, so I used it as an excuse to get a laptop.

JustPJ66
04-07-2011, 07:14 AM
And don't forget that inexpensive portion of the equation, your GPS. We've spent close to $1,000.00 in learning which units work best for us. I goofed and bought a Magellan (GASP) but reformed and bought a Garmin Oregon 450. Loaned the Magellan to my sister......maybe she'll get more involved in caching. Then we decided to get a Nuvi. Then....well....let's think about what we all spend on computers. Who else bought a laptop just because they were geocaching? Okay, so I used it as an excuse to get a laptop.


who is we kimosabi?? YOUR the one spending all the money.....I bought an etrex and I was happy...you want the toys LOL

cano
04-07-2011, 12:59 PM
I think we all pay to cache. Yes, I have paid to enter state parks but what about the gas to get there and to that GR down the road? I have spent all day out before and had to eat which I paid for. I understand the question but in the end I think we all pay to cache.

I think the question was would you pay for a cache if the cache was placed specifically to collect the money?

Fins_Up
04-07-2011, 07:03 PM
No, it was more about if you would pay money to access trails that have caches on them.

shuman road searchers
04-07-2011, 07:38 PM
Because I pay for gas to access GRC's and LP's I would pay to access a trail if there were caches on it. I paid for access to one cache!

Mapachi
04-07-2011, 08:35 PM
I paid more for gas to get to Mount Batty then the cost to enter Mt. Batty to access the cache at the summit!
Hell I spend money just for the sake of it. I hate the stuff! As soon as I get it, I get rid of it!
You can't take it with you.

JustKev
04-07-2011, 09:15 PM
I paid more for gas to get to Mount Batty then the cost to enter Mt. Batty to access the cache at the summit!
Hell I spend money just for the sake of it. I hate the stuff! As soon as I get it, I get rid of it!
You can't take it with you.

And just what color are your eyes? Brown, I'm guessing. :eek:

hollora
04-07-2011, 10:59 PM
An interesting question - but unless you are using the most basic "free" Groundspeak membership - if you are "Premium" = you pay to cache.

State Parks - we must pay to access unless in winter when they are closed. I have paid to access state parks to get a cache. I have never seen a cache in a State Park which was not on GC.com. I have also paid to go to an Event cache which was at a place with an access fee (other than camping).

BRDad has a point about places which charge (campgrounds, parks, wildlife refuges - and I wonder about even State Parks - some caches may be Grandfathered)......being commercial. It was for that reason, I never mentioned on the pages I wrote for my Hirundo caches that they would like users to leave a donation. There are signs up where you sign in AND no one would be refused. BUT - donations are greatfully accepted AND would be a GREAT help.

I just interpreted the GC.com guidelines to be by posting it about the donation piece and/or making it a requirement it would be commercial. They were generous to open up their land to our use and so far there have been no problems. Not a lot of money left in the can but it's ok.

If a cache were placed specifically to collect money - not my cup of tea..............but I guess it depends on where it is. I had a ball caching in AK - and they are promoting Caching with brochures and everything. But hey, it was another reason to go back to a place I love anyway.

masterson of the universe
04-08-2011, 08:57 AM
I guess I haven't run into any place that would cause an issue over asking for donations to use the land for caching but I can see where this would be an issue for some. Places like Hirundo have a donation box to leave a user decided donation for using the land. Their trails are great and very well maintained, they landscape the open areas, they print trail maps, they have signage, picnic tables under cover, gardens, bridges over streams, and other facilities. These things cost time and money to keep up. Again, they have a box for user determined donations. One box, three maybe four entrances. I had no idea the area was there and thanks to caching, I've been several times. Once to cache, other times just to go walking through the woods with my boys. I have no problem tossing a few dollars into the box each time we visit as I recognize what it takes to maintain an area as large as they have. If it weren't for caching, how many of you would know know about every little park or trail system that is out there in other cities and towns? I can see on Groundspeaks side, rather than having an arguable gray area, that they just flat out dont allow it but really, this should be left up to the local reviewers.
If I took the time to build a trail system I might put up a donation box for a little assistance as well. If I really wanted a lot of other people coming to get the area to be publicly known, what better way to draw people in than an activity like caching? Remember, donations don't need to be left when you first arrive in locations like this. Typically, I use donation boxes like tipping in a restaurant. Use the facilities first. If you dont find any value in being there and don't see your self ever returning, leave a smaller donation. If you really like the place, take the time to do more than just cache, and see yourself coming back, drop in a $5 or something bigger.

scabbotts
04-08-2011, 10:11 AM
When I was in Vegas there was a Wherigo cache that was nearby. I didn't have a rental car so I took a taxi cab to the cache and told the driver to come back and pick me up in about an hour. The cab ride cost me $50 one way, I got out of the cab, the cab took off and the Wherigo wasn't very intricate. In fact it had one part that I didn't have to do anything for and the cache was located 70 feet away. So I practically found the cache before the cab left the parking lot, but I couldn't get him back. So I started walking back to the hotel which was about 10 miles away. After awhile I was finally able to track down another cab and another $25 cab ride back for a 5 minute Wherigo. That is one adventure I won't soon forget. Oh the things we do for the smiley!!!!

Ekidokai
04-09-2011, 05:06 AM
I think I would pay cash to cache. I would pay money to find caches placed to collect money for profit. It would just be very intriguing to see what a cache like that had or if it was any different.

Waterski
04-09-2011, 10:04 PM
I have and would pay money to get into a park that has caches in it. I might consider placing a cache in my driveway with a money box if edidoki says he would pay money for profit. Interesting. The cache would not be any different, I will let you know if advance. :-) and I am not sure what the fee will be. It might be inside a big rock and maybe should have a tire repair kit in it though. :-) This has been an interesting thread to read...thanks for starting it.

fins2right
04-10-2011, 05:18 PM
I would pay the 5 bucks (X4 for the fam) if I could log the caches on GC.com. Why? I like to. I also like going on my profile every once in a while and look over the caches I've found. What is still active, What has been archived ect. It's like a trip down memory lane. If someone put out quality caches on their land and spent time, money and energy to provide a great experience, it's money well spent!

Mainiac1957
04-11-2011, 05:52 AM
In the case of a place like Hirundo. I would approach the land managers and offer to have a CITO event. Maybe not as much to pick up garbage, but to clean up the trails in general. A half a dozen or so cachers working for a few hours could make quite a bit of progress. :cool:

hollora
04-19-2011, 11:06 PM
And indeed - Hirundo is having a Trail Day on Saturday. Just talked to them about a cache which may be missing. Also, they would welcome any help - just call them and speak with Fred if you are interested in helping.

There is no camping on the grounds and no dogs :( for visitors but they would probably be open to us having an event there. If you have done Lac D'Lor - the building is not to far away.

Fins_Up
04-20-2011, 12:50 PM
I have been in contact with the manager at the campground that is the topic of this discussion and actually sent him the link for this thread to review. He wrote me back 2 days ago and invited me to help them get started setting up caches. I am excited to get this going! Thanks for all the good feedback.

hollora
04-20-2011, 07:51 PM
Nice work Fins_up. It should be fun.

Hirundo opened up when they recovered the remenants of a Letterbox which had been torn apart by something. They thought it might be a Geocache (which was not allowed then) but alas it was a letterbox. Interesting those were not welcome either but someone had put one there quite some time before. The caretakers knew I cached and contacted me. This opened the door to talk to them again about caches. (I had tried once before.) All caches placed on their property must be reviewed by and approved by their caretaker but once he/she say ok on a placement they welcome our folks to come seek caches and enjoy their grounds.

Hopefully the campground will enjoy a pleasant experience by welcoming Geocachers.