Unfortunately, there are lot of young cachers doing this sort of thing. I've been quietly and contructively sending notes to these cachers hoping to bring them along. The newest thing I've seen is a new group that don't post a single "letter" to their finds. Hate to sound like some of the old guard, but the game continue to evolve and not always in a good way.

we got a log recently that said this: "ok"

that was it...sigh...oh well i just ASSUME he had a good time while getting it LOL

dissapointing to read but its "ok" if thats the way he wants to play hehe

I got a log recently that said just this: Pillow. Reading other logs by this same cacher were all just as odd as that. I sent a note just asking what they meant by that and of course never heard back.

I got a log recently that said just this: Pillow. Reading other logs by this same cacher were all just as odd as that. I sent a note just asking what they meant by that and of course never heard back.

Apparently your cache put the poor guy/gal to sleep and he/she was just asking for a pillow to rest his/her head upon.

Apparently your cache put the poor guy/gal to sleep and he/she was just asking for a pillow to rest his/her head upon.

Ha, that is a neat idea. Describe the cache in one word.

Bugs!
Mud!
Woohoo!
Zzzzzz
WTF?
Brrrrrrrrrrr
Ticks!
Cool!
Again?
Wicked!
Why?

Ha, that is a neat idea. Describe the cache in one word.

Bugs!
Mud!
Woohoo!
Zzzzzz
WTF?
Brrrrrrrrrrr
Ticks!
Cool!
Again?
Wicked!
Why?


And for the DNF "WHERE?". ;)

You forgot one,


BEER! :D




Ha, that is a neat idea. Describe the cache in one word.

Bugs!
Mud!
Woohoo!
Zzzzzz
WTF?
Brrrrrrrrrrr
Ticks!
Cool!
Again?
Wicked!
Why?

Let's not encourgage one word logs as unfortunately, that seems to be all that a lot of the new cachers can muster. Any newbies reading this, at a minimum show the manners your parents taught you and log a "thank you" to the person that placed the cache you sought out....it's the right thing to do. If you can't manage that, maybe you're in the wrong game because that's the easy and right thing to do!

I am with Dan on this one. I may not write a book on a PNG but I try to get at least a couple of sentences in there. The better the cache experience the more I am likely to write. I started this early on and was encouraged by a certain caching lawyer to keep it up. I try to do the same and when I get a nice log entry from someone I usually respond with a thank you.

Let's not encourgage one word logs as unfortunately, that seems to be all that a lot of the new cachers can muster. Any newbies reading this, at a minimum show the manners your parents taught you and log a "thank you" to the person that placed the cache you sought out....it's the right thing to do. If you can't manage that, maybe you're in the wrong game because that's the easy and right thing to do!

you mean that you expect more than one word from the people of the texting abreviated generation? why write a book when 1/2 a word will do? just kidding, actually I started a year ago now without anyone saying anything about logs to me and most were short "thanks for the cache " statements. then I found one that ment a lot to me and made me wish that my father-in-law was still here to find it with me, which I put in my log, ( WWII -POW camp) and I got a note from Hollara that made me realize my comments might mean something to the Cache owner, Thanks by the way I still have that E-mail. but it took that and being here on the website ( which I found through an article in the paper, either KJ or SJ) to make me understand what log entries mean to people. And now that I have over 100 finds I think I can hide a cache soon that will not be to goofy.

Let's not encourgage one word logs as unfortunately, that seems to be all that a lot of the new cachers can muster. Any newbies reading this, at a minimum show the manners your parents taught you and log a "thank you" to the person that placed the cache you sought out....it's the right thing to do. If you can't manage that, maybe you're in the wrong game because that's the easy and right thing to do!

I would have prefered a one word log, compared to the one I received yest that was posted on a cache that was not even 24 hours old. Totally blank! Tempted to delete the find, but waiting to hear what others think. I think next time I am near the cache site, I will check the log in the cache to see if it was signed. This is a brand new cacher with 32 finds and out of those, s/he has submitted 30 logs that were blank, one log that had no words but a picture, and the only written log said "Sorry, couldn't sign the log. I forgot my pen." I wrote what I considered to be a gentle note explaining that the logs are how I learn what works and what doesn't and that they bring me a lot of joy to read. Have not heard back yet. Thanks to all that have made the trip down to find my cache series. I really really do appreciate the long logs. :)

I Split this thread off from the Early publication (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/showthread.php?5445-Early-publication) thread as it is a totally different topic.


IMO, deleting valid logs because of log length or absence of a log is alienating these cachers. If I don't write much in a log, it's either because the cache didn't inspire me to do so or I was just not in a writing mood. If you have one or two short or non-existent logs on your cache the finder probably couldn't think of much to say or just does not care to write. If a lot of the logs on your cache are short more than likely your cache is nothing special. I'm guessing a lot of these blank logs are done by phone. And if your cache is hidden in no way special don't expect the majority of logs to be anything special. And just because you think the cache is special don't expect everyone to feel the same. And you can never expect every log to be long on even the best of caches.

I prefer the longer logs on my caches too, but if they find it, they are allowed to log as long or as short a log as they desire. I'll promote writing longer logs when I can, but I would not require it. I say try your best to give them a reason to write longer logs. Hiding 50 caches 500 feet apart on a boring section of Rt. 218 will not cut it.

I say if we promote better, more memorable caches, on average longer logs have to follow. There will always be short ones.

when kevin and I first started we didnt put much on our logs.....in fact.....it wasnt until we came here and started seeing the upset CO complaining about crappy logs that we tried to do a better job at log writing. We can usually find something to note at a cache site and although there have been a few "found on a trip to........ tftc sl" on unremarkable GRC's most of our logs now are bigger and tell about either the cache or our day...heck kev and I even had an argument back and forth on one CO's caches over if we had been to a certian store or not....he hadnt! LOL

It's a game/hobby/sport how ever you look at it. different people play differently. I like longer logs like in a recent case where one cacher told me how he foiled a potiential crime!!! right Dan??? hehe

to each his own i guess! but new cachers just dont know alot of the time.

Out of curiosity, I interrogated my GSAK database to find the caches with more the average longest and shortest cache logs (and more than 5 logs). I do not have all the logs for all the caches, so this is not perfect. My database currently includes 477,449 cache logs. This does not mean they are the best or worst caches, but it should be an indicator as to what caches attract long logs and which do not.

20 caches with the longest logs:
Centum Challenge (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=0a559491-72df-4cee-80af-728ebf91172a)(Unknown/Mystery)(Large) (GC27Q59) by Ekidokai (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1790176) (3/1.5)
Maine’s Alphanumeric Cache Challenge (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=09d31356-ac93-49ac-840d-4d8d461906fb)(Unknown/Mystery)(Not chosen) (GC1JJ38) by Northwoods Explorer (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=381878) (4.5/4.5)
White House Scandal (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=2045e692-8737-4d22-b6ad-ef492bcc6e4e)(Unknown/Mystery)(Regular) (GC16PZX) by Cache Maine (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=240936) (4.5/2)
Maine's DeLorme Challenge (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=0b270722-4e03-4ade-a56b-1d7f61d1ddb7)(Unknown/Mystery)(Regular) (GCW8N6) by Team Teebow (Team2hunt) (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=314443) (5/5)
Maine's Adventure Challenge (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=9538f1ae-c65a-415f-8e80-3710ae0f11c3)(Unknown/Mystery)(Micro) (GC1VWN8) by Northwoods Explorer (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=381878) (5/5)
Hell's Gate Falls (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=80d9aa74-f776-4185-8f36-56bb79a94602)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC1HB0V) by EvilHomer (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1270641) (3.5/3.5)
Pulpit Rock (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=bdae5627-c4f9-404e-b51a-4a2c829a3256)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2DX3Q) by eckdon (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=3369326) (3/4.5)
Sounds Easy To Me (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=9bcafb9f-f8e6-4610-a96f-1ccf9d525b99)(Unknown/Mystery)(Regular) (GC1VFWZ) by brdad (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=61905) (3.5/3)
The Diary of an Evil Man (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3d5f500d-bbf4-4200-abc1-caef39743c5b)(Multi)(Not chosen) (GC22Q10) by Aldrich Ames (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2586396) (2.5/2.5)
PINOCCHIO'S CURSE" (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=4d23d207-c5c9-4d52-b2e6-7677b55883c7)(Unknown/Mystery)(Regular) (GCZHGY) by hoamdezinahs (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=362472) (5/1.5)
Molechunkamunk: Cranberry Cove (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=edace56a-6d97-4b44-9123-7a3fcdac0468)(Multi)(Regular) (GCWEBK) by paddlehikers (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=434407) (2.5/5)
Snor-Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=cd9f26d5-d31a-4e59-a045-35e74006183b)(Multi)(Large) (GC1DYCY) by Moosehead gang (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1250391) (4/5)
Cache Like It's 2001 (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8cd5ed2e-db21-4697-906b-4a839746fa51)(Unknown/Mystery)(Regular) (GC146JV) by Sudonim (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=198654) (5/5)
Punchbowl Treasure (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=4609bdd2-3739-495c-a5dd-bcfc260873d8)(Traditional)(Small) (GC28YT0) by BramborovySalat (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2224657) (3/5)
Molechunkamunk: Aziscoos Mt. (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=a4413e6e-0cfd-4067-bb82-37b04a916f8e)(Traditional)(Regular) (GCXJ2Y) by paddlehikers (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=434407) (1/4)
Lead Mountain Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=331f32f1-a2ab-4006-a8fa-d055808094e2)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC16VDH) by Groleau (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=588789) (2/3)
Kenna's Canoe Adventure (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=aba0fa99-a9b1-4995-954f-aec0443c35c9)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC1DMY3) by Mydogkenna (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1545482) (2.5/4)
Jim's Last Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=10af0180-e17a-424f-a20f-4baf098726ee)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC1JJHY) by NorthCumberMouth Cachers (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=66924) (2/3.5)
WEREWOLF! (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=0639c3b4-e221-4638-9485-d2b6651b2012)(Traditional)(Small) (GC1QV1H) by Mapachi (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1383108) (2.5/3.5)
Hothole Pond Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=04e1e6ef-2a15-4659-ba44-3c814ac38255)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC13QYB) by Groleau (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=588789) (2.5/5)

20 caches with the shortest logs:
Parker Head Brook (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=06a64d52-be8e-4280-bac4-b14bbfcb2195)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC27T4F) by Onestep (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=23665) (1.5/1.5)
The Dreamland Chronicles: A Webcomic Tribute Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=68bcffa2-7c74-4fa1-a5fb-04c834c2433f)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC1ZB2J) by NativeMainer (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=108265) (1/1.5)
richie's headband (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b7aabc00-e760-4e9d-95fb-4256f9b7a556)(Traditional)(Not chosen) (GC2TN8H) by iampaw (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=707225) (2/1.5)
Bear Hill Road (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=4a3768ab-ee7f-4385-b24a-443aaf075e10)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2MAZ2) by TeamCaron (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2671738) (1.5/1.5)
AGR #18, Walch Street Micro (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=bb910c1c-d591-4c3c-a3b0-f3c80300d2ad)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2E7D1) by SoME (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=527100) (1.5/1.5)
CAC Rail (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=e3f75b31-77c7-4b80-953d-93907c43c358)(Traditional)(Not chosen) (GC2X9HZ) by Acts 2:38 (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=4445818) (1.5/1.5)
box on tarbox (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b4591188-66f5-48bd-a356-0c6724de7a27)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2CTZG) by annideco (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1640862) (1.5/1.5)
Destroy Da Field DEPOTS (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f7c26a52-8b03-4de1-8eef-2f2bf0416011)(Traditional)(Other) (GC2HGM8) by rogu3 (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=3405074) (1/1)
Old Cove Rail (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b0315479-cc48-4e27-ba41-f31ea863a2eb)(Traditional)(Not chosen) (GC2X9HN) by Acts 2:38 (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=4445818) (1.5/1.5)
Sprinkler (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=64923ee4-e7ec-48b0-8ad4-72da9c5fe5dd)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2X850) by thesacogirls (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=3118467) (1.5/2)
Going Green (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3dc1b9d0-f7d1-4826-b5db-17d9c7c09e2d)(Traditional)(Other) (GC2HA68) by team_barbieri (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2994312) (1/1.5)
Edwina (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d3b20a50-45b8-4efe-8aa6-9cf5276af695)(Traditional)(Not chosen) (GC2X9J3) by Acts 2:38 (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=4445818) (1.5/1.5)
Building Bridges straight to your heart (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c29dd07f-6ee4-4e01-acf2-20775c893e6e)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2TN53) by TeamCaron (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2671738) (1.5/1.5)
Enemy Seagull Landing Strip (totally tye dye #3) (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=a67819c2-6f34-40bb-a8f8-50d7c493edbb)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2JR5B) by sushichef and deadliestcache97 (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=3241186) (1.5/2.5)
No Thru Trucks (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8afb3193-8476-42e4-a746-87cde7a0bca4)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2KZJA) by TeamCaron (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2671738) (1.5/1.5)
The "Not So" London Bridge (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=1fae1ba3-de7e-45b6-9479-83a6c2411a6c)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2K3RK) by TeamCaron (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2671738) (1.5/1.5)
Will you miss me? CITO cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=2f5413af-f663-479b-88e7-69c654945a65)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2R7WB) by Ms Toastmaster (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1305920) (1/1.5)
Golden Gate Bridge..... City of Lewiston #11 (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=9fd5d721-94ee-4672-9adb-702418dca239)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2XR57) by have a hart (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=4549139) (2/1.5)
Town Line Lisbon-Lewiston (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=76a66efe-dcd7-465f-be3c-946fbad3ff8a)(Traditional)(Other) (GC2R3C1) by Ms Toastmaster (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1305920) (1/1.5)
Pathfinders (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=07b316b9-5356-4dd0-a40b-c26ffa13c8e8)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC2QAH2) by TeamCaron (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2671738) (1.5/1.5)

EDIT - To be fair, I'll also include a list of the 20 longest average log cache s with D/T rating of 1.5/1.5 and below
Portland Freedom Trail (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=ba0f7fb4-5ef9-4a21-9a00-dd6774576eef)(WhereIGo(Micro) (GC1A9Y0) by kayakerinme (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=449087) (1/1)
Bessies Tale (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=2aa1958c-d9fd-48bf-ad8d-90cd1b93b4bf)(Traditional)(Micro) (GCW700) by LaughingTerry (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=310400) (1/1.5)
Bangor Mini Adventure (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8bdd6aea-2f23-4897-86af-757336a5d643)(WhereIGo(Micro) (GC1WCEG) by Cano (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=847024) (1.5/1.5)
47th Delorme Grid (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c7ff4c04-3096-45a1-b3f4-a611d4887e47)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2J9H4) by MARTES (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=255742) (1/1)
Remembering Uncle Denny (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=4fa6d90c-c4eb-4cc2-8436-af444b99eb42)(Traditional)(Small) (GC1BX2R) by edcole (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1160052) (1.5/1.5)
Cobscook Reversing Falls (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f94ebb91-230b-4a8a-9f22-8c2a8a838576)(Earthcache)(Not chosen) (GC17X1G) by Northwoods Explorer (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=381878) (1/1)
The Buoys of Round Pond (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=7c0000d4-ad52-4235-b72b-bd949fed08d0)(Traditional)(Small) (GC2KJPE) by megconnell & Patrick.D.Olsen & Ann.C.Stevenson (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2739612) (1.5/1)
They Mostly Come at Night....Mostly.... (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=7b1db2c8-e885-44d9-8681-6db217142444)(Unknown/Mystery)(Not chosen) (GC2FK45) by SeriousTool™ (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2288857) (1.5/1.5)
A RHINO IN MAINE ??? (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f014713f-94cb-4606-b1d3-8c5d42f53318)(Traditional)(Micro) (GC1D22P) by HD (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=362472) (1.5/1.5)
Leave it to Beaver (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=02060fc3-7922-48fd-8ea9-41bf482b75e6)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC2MGYQ) by Jimnicol (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2896876) (1.5/1.5)
Pleasant Hill Mystery (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=30de276d-63a7-4f15-9ca5-8278d54e05e2)(Unknown/Mystery)(Small) (GC2AAF4) by NorthCumberMouth Cachers (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=66924) (1.5/1.5)
Tidal EarthCache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=e8462a7d-38ff-494a-880a-9c0f9fd9cbe0)(Earthcache)(Not chosen) (GCCE8D) by TAT (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=34942) (1/1)
Troll's Treasure (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=11332869-d845-4b10-bf63-21b6315c1ce4)(Traditional)(Regular) (GCTVYC) by PrincessPosse (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=462216) (1.5/1.5)
Ledges (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3b934d4c-8cd1-42e1-8c87-85174251bc6a)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC58DD) by N1ULY & Cricket's_Song (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=45469) (1.5/1.5)
DON'T FIND THIS CACHE (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=751813c8-b60c-47d8-bb0e-281df9393471)(Traditional)(Micro) (GCTPBV) by hoamdezinahs (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=362472) (1/1)
Fort Foster PEZ Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=410e8129-fef8-4f15-8276-3ac9391f3c7b)(Traditional)(Regular) (GCD78) by scienceguy (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=4482) (1/1)
Ronco Cove (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=efd3e4e0-0808-4ead-ab0f-ce513e5f3a58)(Traditional)(Regular) (GC5E49) by K1TJS (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=1483) (1/1)
Bitten By the (caching) Bug (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=9c8c0b61-ecc9-4160-a23c-e46b5f8e9bf6)(Traditional)(Not chosen) (GC28FMJ) by SeriousTool (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=2288857) (1.5/1.5)
Theo's Pirate Treasure (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f93fc12f-48d5-477d-8ce8-d30ac836c107)(Traditional)(Small) (GCMMHT) by tunicate (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=302739) (1.5/1.5)
Rockport Harbor (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=17fae28b-0c9a-4184-82c5-9b8fbaa81e02)(Traditional)(Other) (GC3D2) by Philip Brown (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=261711) (1/1)

IMHO that is not something GSAK can tell you.....different caches prompt good logs from different people for different reasons....i might have a page long log on a GRC if something special happened there .

GSAK cant tell you that!

IMHO that is not something GSAK can tell you.....different caches prompt good logs from different people for different reasons....i might have a page long log on a GRC if something special happened there .

GSAK cant tell you that!

I agree, you can have a memorable time at a lousy cache or a lousy time at a memorable cache, but the hider has no way or controlling that. But the hider can control the odds of a memorable time.

I agree, you can have a memorable time at a lousy cache or a lousy time at a memorable cache, but the hider has no way or controlling that. But the hider can control the odds of a memorable time.


I'm sure controversial hides also get some lengthy logs

I think you forgot the "manners" part of the equation. A simple "thanks" is a heck of a lot better then a blank log. I encourage a thanks as part of ALL logs. And our parents taught us, you say thank you for receiving something from a person even if you don't care what was given. Sadly, the trend it away from good manners and that is regrettably being reflected in a lot of the logs all of us are seeing. Brdad is right that there's not a lot that can be said about some common caches, so skip that part and make a comment about the beauty of the area, the pleasure with caching with friends, loved ones, or about the great meal or picnic that was part of your day. To me, this shows general appreciation for the game. I have only deleted one log and it was after trying to reach out to the CO with a very positive comment and then be rebuffed. All we can do is try and get these new cachers to place nice in the sandbox.




I Split this thread off from the Early publication (http://www.geocachingmaine.org/forum/showthread.php?5445-Early-publication) thread as it is a totally different topic.


IMO, deleting valid logs because of log length or absence of a log is alienating these cachers. If I don't write much in a log, it's either because the cache didn't inspire me to do so or I was just not in a writing mood. If you have one or two short or non-existent logs on your cache the finder probably couldn't think of much to say or just does not care to write. If a lot of the logs on your cache are short more than likely your cache is nothing special. I'm guessing a lot of these blank logs are done by phone. And if your cache is hidden in no way special don't expect the majority of logs to be anything special. And just because you think the cache is special don't expect everyone to feel the same. And you can never expect every log to be long on even the best of caches.

I prefer the longer logs on my caches too, but if they find it, they are allowed to log as long or as short a log as they desire. I'll promote writing longer logs when I can, but I would not require it. I say try your best to give them a reason to write longer logs. Hiding 50 caches 500 feet apart on a boring section of Rt. 218 will not cut it.

I say if we promote better, more memorable caches, on average longer logs have to follow. There will always be short ones.

I think you forgot the "manners" part of the equation. A simple "thanks" is a heck of a lot better then a blank log. I encourage a thanks as part of ALL logs. And our parents taught us, you say thank you for receiving something from a person even if you don't care what was given. Sadly, the trend it away from good manners and that is regrettably being reflected in a lot of the logs all of us are seeing. Brdad is right that there's not a lot that can be said about some common caches, so skip that part and make a comment about the beauty of the area, the pleasure with caching with friends, loved ones, or about the great meal or picnic that was part of your day. To me, this shows general appreciation for the game. I have only deleted one log and it was after trying to reach out to the CO with a very positive comment and then be rebuffed. All we can do is try and get these new cachers to place nice in the sandbox.

Looks like somebody forgot his manners :P
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=bf286bf0-1f31-4245-8684-6c70356ef858

I think you forgot the "manners" part of the equation. A simple "thanks" is a heck of a lot better then a blank log. I encourage a thanks as part of ALL logs. And our parents taught us, you say thank you for receiving something from a person even if you don't care what was given. Sadly, the trend it away from good manners and that is regrettably being reflected in a lot of the logs all of us are seeing. Brdad is right that there's not a lot that can be said about some common caches, so skip that part and make a comment about the beauty of the area, the pleasure with caching with friends, loved ones, or about the great meal or picnic that was part of your day. To me, this shows general appreciation for the game. I have only deleted one log and it was after trying to reach out to the CO with a very positive comment and then be rebuffed. All we can do is try and get these new cachers to place nice in the sandbox.

UPDATE: Although I did not hear back directly from the cacher, He logged six more caches since I wrote to him and they all have 2 words. "Found it". Its definately a start!

I think you forgot the "manners" part of the equation. A simple "thanks" is a heck of a lot better then a blank log.

I'm not forgetting manners, I'm suggesting not to get to worked up because a few other cachers may not have them, or minimally behave the way we'd like. I have no problem with suggesting and promoting better logs as much as I like to promote quality, memorable caches but I would not lose sleep over it. If a person is consistently writing short or non-existent logs even after one or two prompts, most likely they are not going to change and that's the way they choose to play.

Thanks for the "quip" there Cano! That was my very first cache and I didn't have a clue!! I actually left a few things that didn't fit in the cache next to the cache! Fortunately, I have long since improved my caching manners and I'll challenge just about anybody to a "positive logs" contest! There's another 4010 you ought to check to see if my manners improved since that time.


Looks like somebody forgot his manners :P
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=bf286bf0-1f31-4245-8684-6c70356ef858

I didn't see much wrong with that log, short of poor grammar and spelling. I have a personal editor so you don't see so much of that in my logs. :)

You forgot one,


BEER! :D

Sheesh! I'll drink to that!

Nobody getting worked up here Dave! And I'm not loosing any sleep either. Some of us are making an effort to help the new cachers post good logs. While everybody can play the game the way they want, there are many here that have a lot of caches placed that would like to see a kinder, more gentle, and more thoughtful response to their caches. Any issues with that simple thought?



I'm not forgetting manners, I'm suggesting not to get to worked up because a few other cachers may not have them, or minimally behave the way we'd like. I have no problem with suggesting and promoting better logs as much as I like to promote quality, memorable caches but I would not lose sleep over it. If a person is consistently writing short or non-existent logs even after one or two prompts, most likely they are not going to change and that's the way they choose to play.

Yeah, you're a lot smarter then me, I guess! Maybe I'll go back and edit my first find. Yeah, that's what I''ll do.



I didn't see much wrong with that log, short of poor grammar and spelling. I have a personal editor so you don't see so much of that in my logs. :)

Wish I was as smart and clever as you Dave! Guess I messed up my very first log. Would you please go through the rest of mine and see what else I spelled wrong? That would be nice of you! THANKS for your kind comments and help. I did go and edit my first log to keep it more in line with the way I generally log. Cano will help you!

Brdad, who is your editor? Will they edit all of ours? I know my logs and cache descriptions, and forum posts could use an editor. No matter how many times I proof, I still leave mistakes! As a matter of fact, I found lots of grammatical and typing errors in the caches published Sunday. Hope no one was too put off by that. Its just the way my ADHD rolls! Anyhow, I have got to once again say that placing caches is new to me and am finding it rewarding, whether they are PNG or woods caches, or something in between. Its great to share the history of this area with fellow cachers and read their repsonses. The rising gas prices and falling income have left me pretty much land locked on my property and reading the logs for my new caches makes me feel like I am still involved and part of the sport and has made me laugh, even though life has been really frustrating lately! I appreciate every word.

Wish I was as smart and clever as you Dave! Guess I messed up my very first log. Would you please go through the rest of mine and see what else I spelled wrong? That would be nice of you! THANKS for your kind comments and help. I did go and edit my first log to keep it more in line with the way I generally log. Cano will help you!

Dan, all your logs on my caches looked great! Especially enjoyed the one about you trying to find the cache w/o your GPR! Got laughing at that one. Even read it to my 73 yr old mom and it made her laugh! You're one honest guy to post that! Anyhow, thanks to your example, I just sent out thank yous to many folks who found my caches and that I hadn't talked to about them. Didn't know that was okay to do, but after I read that you did that, it sounded like a good idea. I learned from you that it was okay to send a gentle note to begining cachers explaining about logging. I did that with the newbie and all of his logs posted today have 2 words, which is 2 words more than before, so it had impact. Thanks for your mentoring and don't worry about perfection in your logs. Perfection is not required. Your positive attitude is enough. Thanks for the mentoring.

I appreciate your kind thoughts. Thankfully, I get a lot of thanks for the logs I post. I enjoy putting a little extra in my logs and in the "do as to others as they would do to you" I think I get paid back in spades!


Dan, all your logs on my caches looked great! Especially enjoyed the one about you trying to find the cache w/o your GPR! Got laughing at that one. Even read it to my 73 yr old mom and it made her laugh! You're one honest guy to post that! Anyhow, thanks to your example, I just sent out thank yous to many folks who found my caches and that I hadn't talked to about them. Didn't know that was okay to do, but after I read that you did that, it sounded like a good idea. I learned from you that it was okay to send a gentle note to begining cachers explaining about logging. I did that with the newbie and all of his logs posted today have 2 words, which is 2 words more than before, so it had impact. Thanks for your mentoring and don't worry about perfection in your logs. Perfection is not required. Your positive attitude is enough. Thanks for the mentoring.

Brdad, who is your editor?

Lee very often corrects me on my logs. I'm a good speller but a lousy typist. Anyone that's spent any time in chat will back that up. I too can correct a log 5 times and still have errors. My logs would look much worse if not for her.

When we started I did not put much in my logs because being new I wasn't sure what to write. It seemed when looking the log over before submitting it that what I wrote sometimes seemed to sound foolish. Guess it seems easier now (not saying my logs are great but it seems easier). We are wondering what CO's think about the in-cache logs. Haven't heard much about those. Wife does them while "G" and I look over the cache. She puts our name, date, and what we traded if anything, and always TFTC. So We would like to read some CO opinions about those. This is a really intreresting thread. :)

I think the average length of logs in the physical logbooks has shortened. I know the length of the logs I write have, and from what I have seen in the logbooks others have as well. I used to like to look at the logbooks and see who found the cache before me as well, and what they wrote. It's very rare for me to do that now. I'm not sure what the reasoning is unless we're just in too much of a hurry to get to the next cache. Some of it I imagine is being trained not to write anything in micros and nanos. My handwriting is not very legible anyway, so maybe it does not matter! Most of the time now, Lee does the logging for both of us, puts our names, the date, and maybe a few words about the weather or cache.

I keep all the logbooks I replace from my caches and like to thumb through them. It is good to see what people write at the site when they do write something, perhaps better than the online log.

http://bytethebullet.com/geocaching/images/PJlog.jpg

I often take the time to give a few thoughts to the CO in the log book, at a minimum a "thank you." Problem with that is the only folks that get to see it are subsequent finders. An enthusiastic log posted as a find is much more likely to generate enthusiasm and attract cachers to a particular hide. Di and I look for logs like this when we plan a day of it. And we hope our positive logs draw other cachers to follow in our footsteps.

When we started I did not put much in my logs because being new I wasn't sure what to write. It seemed when looking the log over before submitting it that what I wrote sometimes seemed to sound foolish. Guess it seems easier now (not saying my logs are great but it seems easier). We are wondering what CO's think about the in-cache logs. Haven't heard much about those. Wife does them while "G" and I look over the cache. She puts our name, date, and what we traded if anything, and always TFTC. So We would like to read some CO opinions about those. This is a really intreresting thread. :)

I have been noticing that the logs in the caches are shortening to just a date and name. The only cache of mine with a big log book in it that I have visited is on my property. Most of the logs were names and dates, and at first I was disappointed, but the online logs made up for it, and frankly, I can't say that I would sit out in my woods right now with the black flies, sqitos and ticks and right much more! I will be the first to admit to recently doing the name date thing a couple times, either when there was a muggle coming or when the cloud of mosquitos that goes caching with me gets so thick that I can't see the log book! As a cacher, I do enjoy sitting in the woods and reading the other CO's log books to learn about others experiences. I will often right a full page in the log book because there is something extra special about seeing a hand written log, sort of like getting a hand written letter. Means a lot! Online, howerver, I worry that my logs are too wordy. I get really excited about seeing birds and wildlife and want to share that with everyone and post pics too, but not sure if thats something that the cache owners are interested in hearing about. Only a couple of COs have contacted me about my logs cache/online, and those experiences have been positive, so I guess its all good. Just some rambling thoughts.

To put my final note on a thread intended to encourage better logging and manners, it seems for some that the only cache worthy of more then a few words would be a 12 part multi-cache with the final being a full-size ammo can located 5 miles into the woods someplace. Yeah, I'd write quite a story about such a find but in keeping up the enthusiasm for the less ambitious cache hiders, I won't serial log and will continue to try to post something positive about all finds and to thank folks that put out caches, even those that some here would characterize as lame. (and should I spell something wrong or post something grammatically incorrect, then go ahead and have a few chuckles about it you'd like!)

(and should I spell something wrong or post something grammatically incorrect, then go ahead and have a few chuckles about it you'd like!) As you can see from my post right above yours, I am hooked on fonics (phonics!) and not on proof reading. Thats just the way it is. People can think what they think. I'm not illiterate, just laid back and I can't spell worth beans and I am NOT going to stress out about it! As long as my meaning comes across, I am good with it. I don't want any new cachers to think that there are any requirements for spelling and punctuation. Just have a good time folks and write what you can. Feel the joy!

hey i dont capitolize words and cant spell for nuffin! but I am your newsletter writer!! what a world, what a world.

Thank God for spellcheck...and my editor!

Thank God for spellcheck...

Oh sure, just call me spellcheck now.

YES and you helped me spell capitalize...or is it capitolize LOL

If anyone is thinking I was worked up about the spelling in logs, I was not. I was merely pointing out that I found no manners missing in the log mentioned as someone else suggested, all I saw were a few spelling errors.

Anyway, it is an interesting twist to the topic. Just like manners, the way we write and spell our logs and cache descriptions is a reflection on each of us. I make as many mistakes or more as the next person, I do my best but sometimes they sit undiscovered until someone brings the error to my attention, then I'll fix it. I've fixed several logs and cache descriptions years after they were written.

With the newsletter, it is a reflection on the whole site - Pam knows that and welcomes it being checked over before it is sent out (and even then some items slip by). If she took every edit personally, she would have quit at at the first issue! We actually have a good time laughing about the edits, some times I think she puts a few in just for the fun of it! Regardless, she does a great job on the newsletter and deserves even more praise than she gets. She also deserves more people to participate in her contests like the photo contest. So show your manners and appreciation for her efforts and submit a photo - and make sure your spelling is correct in the photo! :):):)

To put my final note on a thread intended to encourage better logging and manners, it seems for some that the only cache worthy of more then a few words would be a 12 part multi-cache with the final being a full-size ammo can located 5 miles into the woods someplace. Yeah, I'd write quite a story about such a find but in keeping up the enthusiasm for the less ambitious cache hiders, I won't serial log and will continue to try to post something positive about all finds and to thank folks that put out caches, even those that some here would characterize as lame. (and should I spell something wrong or post something grammatically incorrect, then go ahead and have a few chuckles about it you'd like!)

Dan, I don't think a 12 stage multi-cache would be needed. I think Dave would respond positively to a 6 stager.

Definition of STAGER

: an experienced person : veteran (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veteran)

Interesting how this has "grown" out of my original thread concerning early publication and how much thread activity it generated. Thanks to all who have participated. My single little thought from my pea-sized brain is I imagine there is a direct connection between cachers logging with short or even no word logs and cachers who use smartphone technology to cache. Before the smart phone users jump crazy on me, I certainly am not suggesting you aren't true cachers or that all cell cachers are short loggers. Frankly, I really don't care how you enjoy the activity, just be a responsible cacher. Just wondering......

I think phone logging is a definite factor. I'm glad there are other ways to log, if I had to do it with my phone I'd have to set a basic default message to use as well. I can barely answer my phone, let alone connect to that interweb thing with it. Of course, any phone log could be edited through a computer at a PC later time, but I'd bet the larger percentage of us would not bother. I've had intentions of adding pictures to cache logs on a later date on several occasions and have let it slip on my priority list.

Speaking of pictures, I like when people add pictures to the logs on my caches, but it is unfortunate we are not alerted in the notifications that the finder added pictures. I often just read the email version without checking online to see if pictures were added. IMO pictures are often worth many words in a cache log.


Dan, I don't think a 12 stage multi-cache would be needed. I think Dave would respond positively to a 6 stager.

This thread really has nothing to do with my preference of caches, it has to do with what reasons a finder may have for writing longer or shorter logs, as well as features a cache may have that promote longer or shorter logs. A memorable cache does not need to be any number of stages or miles into the wilderness. Check out the caches I have favorited, many are low in D/T ratings.

I am curious, as a cache owner, do you mind if someone alerts you that you have a spelling error in your cache title or description, and mentions it either in their log or in an email? Someone just posted a link elsewhere to a cache placed in 2008 and the title is not spelled correctly, and I assume unintentionally.

Yes, I mind and I would hope my fellow cachers would have more productive activities in their lives then spell checking other's words.





I am curious, as a cache owner, do you mind if someone alerts you that you have a spelling error in your cache title or description, and mentions it either in their log or in an email? Someone just posted a link elsewhere to a cache placed in 2008 and the title is not spelled correctly, and I assume unintentionally.

I am curious, as a cache owner, do you mind if someone alerts you that you have a spelling error in your cache title or description, and mentions it either in their log or in an email? Someone just posted a link elsewhere to a cache placed in 2008 and the title is not spelled correctly, and I assume unintentionally.

Personally....I appreciate constructive criticism. I dont appreciate people being vindictively mean about it but if I messed up I dont mind someone telling me...would prefer a PM rather than a public log but thats me.

Hey I am not perfect...CLOSE mind you but I make mistakes. hehe

Just to be clear, brdad's criticism of the "spelling and grammar" of my very first log was not corrected by a subsequent log or private email but was simply posted right in this thread in the midst of a discussion about manners. While having a site administrator is fine, we don't need spelling and grammar "police." While I use spell check consistently in my professional life, I don't think it's a necessary tool in this game we play and I would be hard pressed to find a legitimate reason to correct a fellow cacher's spelling.




I didn't see much wrong with that log, short of poor grammar and spelling. I have a personal editor so you don't see so much of that in my logs. :)

My question was about cache titles and descriptions. If I made an error in a cache listing, I would want to know, be it coordinates, spelling or wrong use of a word. I think it's a good thing to have a well-written cache page.

Logs are a different thing, I don't mind anyone mentioning a log error to me, but it's definitely overkill for anyone to actively seek them out. But I am still glad Lee looks mine over as she reads them...

I am curious, as a cache owner, do you mind if someone alerts you that you have a spelling error in your cache title or description, and mentions it either in their log or in an email? Someone just posted a link elsewhere to a cache placed in 2008 and the title is not spelled correctly, and I assume unintentionally.

I would love if somebody emailed me if I have a grammar or spelling error in my cache description or a log. So far nobody did, is it all correct or what?

I would love if somebody emailed me if I have a grammar or spelling error in my cache description or a log. So far nobody did, is it all correct or what?

Well, there's a lot of words I can't find in the dictionary on your Lorem Ipsum (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d74ccfdf-808b-46c3-8e97-9cdcf78bbd4c)(Unknown/Mystery)(Micro) (GC1PGW1) by Cano (http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=847024) (2.5/1.5) cache page. :)

I am curious, as a cache owner, do you mind if someone alerts you that you have a spelling error in your cache title or description, and mentions it either in their log or in an email? Someone just posted a link elsewhere to a cache placed in 2008 and the title is not spelled correctly, and I assume unintentionally.

If I make a mistake that promotes discrimination based on any of the following: race, religion, national origin, color, sex, age, veteran status, disability or sexual orientation, then yes. Also, there are a lot of new slang words/code being used by the younger generation. My 20 yr old Godson's facebook page is beyond me! What ever he is saying to his friends, I don't understand it and at this point, it is probably best if I don't ask! He is old enough that I don't need to know! But if I happened to use a word that has a double entendre or unknown to me derogatory meaning, I would want to know. If I make a spelling error, no. Otherwise, I just want to relax and play the game. And for those folks with hidden neurological disablitities, please come out and play the game with us. You don't have to write/type/spell perfect to post on the forum or to write up your caches or write logs. Intention is important, not perfection. Most people will accept you as you are and not point out your errors. That much I have found to be true over the last 15 months of playing.

Yes, I mind and I would hope my fellow cachers would have more productive activities in their lives then spell checking other's words.

Dan, I trust that all of my cache readers are hooked on fonics!!! Oops, spelled it wrong! Phonics! LOL. Remember in first and second grade and we can across a new or different word, the teacher used to patiently say "Sooouuuund it out."
Personally, I think emailing or posting someone to tell them that they spelled something wrong is rude, invasive and haughty, (unless the misspelling can be interpreted in a discriminatory or sexual way, which I believe is against geocaching.com rules). If a community member volunteers to do an activity that benefits me and my community's enjoyment, such as designing a new cache, going to the store to spend their hard earned on a container, camo duct tape, swag, log book and FTF prize, then spends more of their hard earned $ and leisure time driving to get permission, places the cache, writes up the description in a way that makes it attractive to other cachers, submits it for publication and agrees to maintain said cache, which requires more gas/time/energy expenditure, do I take then contact them to point out a spelling error or do I do their caches and say "Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate the effort you put into it!". Do I post that a cache is a waste of time because it is quick/easy/handicapped accessible (ie: guardrail and lamp skirts). I haven't yet and I hope I never get to that point, because if I do its time for me to reconsider what I am effect I am having on the geocaching community.

Interesting reply.
I had to look, but it appears I have never pointed out any spelling errors in a find log. I know I have mentioned errors in a few emails and in chat or in person mostly with people I know enough to assume they would respond positively. On several occasions cachers have posted links to a new cache page in national chat, and me or someone else has spoken up and alterted them of errors - I don't remember once any of them being upset we mentioned the errors. Like most any subject, people take this differently and that is fine. As for me, feel free to let me know - I'll gladly use any opportunity to make it look like I am a better typer than I am! But looking back to the original topic, can't one assume some people don't desire to be informed of their short or otherwise unappealing cache logs, either?

Correct me all you want! I appreciate any help I can get.

Correct me all you want! I appreciate any help I can get.

Some of my dearest friends, I met because I made mistakes and they were willing to help. Just a thought.

Can you find the mistake in the following?


Some of my dearest friends, I met because I made mistakes and they were willing to help. Just a thought.

One of my cache names is intentionally spelled wrong . . .