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I spent some time loolking for an email address to send a polite email to the land managers explaining a geocache and how it works and that most cachers are good for the land such as cito and bring people to the area. The amount of cachers going into the tramway versus people going in to look at the train are far less.
If any one could find an email address for me it would be helpful.
Thanks
Dave
Dave,try this:http://www.state.me.us/doc/parks/contact/index.html
They have phone and fax numbers but I didn't see any email addresses.
This group is probably against caching in the AWW.
http://www.maineenvironment.org/allagash_history.asp
It also seems there is a group trying to restore the locomotives so more people are able to enjoy them,kind of just the opposite to what the so-called land managers are trying to do by discouraging geocaching. Doesn't make any sense to me but here is another link that you might find interesting: http://www.destinationmaine.com/thoreau/trains.htm
ROLOST2? and I were out caching today - yes, in the snow - and one cache was on a "rail-trail". We pulled onto the trail to get off the road, leaving plenty of room for an ATV, biker or hiker. We nabbed the cache and when we got back to the car, there was a card under the wiper from a bureaucrat from the Off-Road Division, Bureau of Parks and Lands, Department of Conservation, with a note on the back "Please do not park on the trail. No vehicles are allowed on the trail". Sheesh! We only pulled off a few feet to get out of the road. With my license plate, he should have known why we were there. I think this is excessive.
I could understand if we had blocked the trail, or were WAY down the trail, but it was obvious we just pulled off the road.
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Bruce did this happen to you folks on the "Beside the Lake" cache (GCQ014) Going north out of Newport? If so I too had this happen to me there earlier this summer. Instead though my wife and younger daughter stayed with the car while my older daughter and myself retrieved the cache.Soon after we left a truck approached my wife in the car. My wife said he was nice enough but he wanted us moved, now and not to wait for us to come back from the cache before we did either, She moved the car. :) Like you said, we were not by any means in anyone's way but Rules are rules and it is stated this trail is for ATV's but I think this man's behavior was excessive too.
Ok, heres the scoop on the Tramway cache. I emailed the owner of the cache and he spoke to the women on the phone who is the contact person regarding the Tramway. She told him that the only way they want people to get to the Tramway is by water. Go figure. Anyway for anyone who is interested in talking to her regarding this issue,the cache owner gave me her email address:marilyn.tourtelotte@maine.gov
OK, here is a solution. Turn this into a multi-cache with the first coords on Farm Island. You have to get there with a boat...so you would arrive at the cache from the water. Works for me:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Haffy6
Yup - you guessed it. I've got a feeling the guy lives right across the highway. A guy was outside when we got out of the car, and I thought he looked at us a little strangely...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty & Co.
I have been reading the posts here and just have to add my two cents.
It seems that you have a pristine wilderness area that the state has tried to protect by buying property next to the waterway, designating a restricted zone within 1 mile of the waterway, and setting controls on use for a farther distance. They have designated uses for the area and put limits on the roads, parking, and trails within the area. They require permitting to build, cut trees, log, build roads, maintain trails, etc. They have designated the tramway area as a historic district and are trying to stabilize the engines that are there. A manager has been put in place to enforce the rules that the state government has enacted.
Now it seems that you are upset that a cache has been archived and removed. A cache that in my opinion was placed contrary to geocaching.com rules and state laws. Like it or not this is a protected area under the jurisdiction of a manager. It does not appear as though the cache had approval of that manager. It was placed in the historical district inside the protected zone. It indicated a parking area that was not one of the designated areas set up by the manager. It advocated using trails not approved (maintained) by the agency or designated as an access point to the waterway.
Now what is the real question here?
Are you upset that you can’t do what you want on land that has rules protecting it?
Do you feel that your rights are being violated because geocaching is not one of the designated uses?
Do you think that it is OK to ignore lawful rules on parking and access to protected prperty?
Come on Mainers. There is a lot of land in the state to place caches without getting into a row with state agencies. Try to work with those given the authority to enforce state laws and respect their viewpoint too. Place caches using geocaching guidelines and don’t advocate things that are contrary to laws, whether you agree with the law or not.
Hey I love Maine even though I live in New York. I love walking in the woods, enjoying nature, and beautiful vistas. I am a caching junkie but I feel that we all need to coexist and have respect for others.
It will take a long time and a lot of work to repair the damage that can be done in an instant by one cache or cacher that does not think about the bigger picture. Don’t give caching a black eye.
OK my two cents. Now you can vent too.