Dan... My first year of caching I only found 35:eek: Of course that was 2003Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
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Dan... My first year of caching I only found 35:eek: Of course that was 2003Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
Hey I know of a pretty cool paddle series in the Trenton area that you might enjoy.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainiac1957
That one will be on my list if I can ever get a rack for my Jeep.
Or we could take the 4 Runner - :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainiac1957
If you haven't done it yet, "Get Marooned" is fun too. Harbor seals followed us out and back to Alley Island :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hollora
My New Years Resolution to some "concerned" muggle friends and family, to not place any new caches (but to maintain and repair existing hides) is about to be broken. Not all at once with a series or a continuation of Star Wars, but with some good hides and ideas that have come to me, and I just can't resist, especially since I am so close to 300 hides!
So, it is 10:05 PM on Jan. 1st, 2010 and I am declaring that my resolution is officially renounced!
Okay..... I was perusing the Maine Caching Stats section of this site this evening, and was shocked that I am only listed as having 87 hides total. TeamHorwich was listed as having 82 hides total. These stats were updated on 12/29/09.
After looking at the stats more closely and reading the page in it's entirety, I realized that micro caches are excluded from the stats.
I am rather curious as to why this is. Can anyone answer this?
I just want to share something with all of your naysayers in regards to series of easily found highly concentrated micros like Stud Mill Rd. and The Star Wars Tribute here in Maine. I received this log this morning for one of the caches. You should read it and consider that this kind of cache density means far more than just numbers.... :
Location: Maine, United States
ponil found Star Wars Tribute: Han Solo (Traditional Cache) at 1/10/2010
Log Date: 1/10/2010
Where should I begin? I turned 50 this past week and wanted no part of any kind of party, well..... I was surprised when I expected a quiet evening at home, having a few drinks, and having some friends over. Well, they showed up and handed me a piece of paper stating that I had 10 minutes to get ready to go caching! They decided that we would cache all night and cache all night we did! We left the house a few minutes after 8pm, and picked up 2 other cachers! The crew included myself, Preferida, Team Salford, KBallsy and 76-CJ7 (who also turns 50 this week and I attended his party...). The goal was to do 50 caches over night, but of course I had to wear an astronaut costume complete with helmet and visor, as they had chosen all the Star Wars caches up in Maine! We arrived at our exit and we decided to get some coffee, and then start caching! It was a beautiful and very cold night, Team salford drove and announced the temperature everytime it dropped another degree with a low of 1 degree, we were in and out of the car all night long! I wore the astronaut costume complete with helmet and visor for the first 50 caches, the pictures I am sure will be posted. We finished early in the morning and went to a local 24 hour Diner near home for break feast. I arrived home at 7:20AM, with over 130(plus) caches done! I had a great time with great friends and a memory that will last for another 50 years. Thank you my friends for this fun surprise and thank you cache placers for making this possible! This cache was one we found along the way! TFTC, ponil
Visit this log entry at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.a...e-bb0a7da09131
You created some memories for these folks that they'll never forget. I can't think of a higher compliment than that.
Ponil's log is making me think about how I want to celebrate my 50th. I've got about 2 1/2 years to think about that one, though. :D
For my 60th & my best friends - we took our husbands to Alaska on a cruise. What did we do in each port? Geocache of course!
I checked a couple of log entries, and note that apparently all members of the group resorted to the 'cut-and-paste" method of making online log entries. (That's another thread.) One also has to wonder if all members of the group signed the paper log or, as I have seen, one member of the group signs the log for all. (Sure makes it easier to get 130 caches in one trip!)
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
There's a whole lot of precedent for groups of cachers doing these so called "power runs" or Centum challenges to sign in under a group name. It saves time, doesn't waste space on the logs and certainly seems to be in the spirit of the game, at least to me, the non-purist, I guess.
But there will be those that say, "no log, no find." Damn, it's tough to figure out if I'm doing it right, but by golly, I'm having a ball actually getting outside and doing an occassional cache or two!:D
I don't think that anyone checkes the logs to see if everyone that loged a find was REALLY there do they. I'm sure there are some that just log a find to up their totals with out ever going out to find the cache. If that's how they want to play, that's up to them. To me they are missing the whole idea of Geocaching, it's not the numbers, it's the exersice getting there and the fun of trying to find it when you do get there. At least that's why we do it! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
Sheesh. Precedent. Because everyone else is doing it, it makes it OK. How long will it be before it's OK to log a cache that you've just driven by? After all, it saves time, doesn't waste space on the logs, and certainly saves gas...Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
Bulls**t.
I'm glad I'm a "senior citizen" - not much longer to go...
And sheesh - don't spam the thread with "we'll be glad when you go"...
Sheesh, I'm not going to drive by caches and call it a log. I go out and find them. I have a whole more lot caches then posts here and with the exception of a 15 hour centum day in New Hampshire where 5 of us chose a team name, I've signed each and every log of every cache I've found. I sense that most cachers do as well, but I do appreciate your sense of humor. And that's not bulls***!
I have an AARP card too, but I'm still receptive to new ideas, new ways to do things and new adventures to experience. I still take a lot from the seniors and how they've done it (precedent) but I like the continous injection of new blood that Bruce kindly welcomes to the game every day. Hope they don't come away with the impression that they will be criticized if they play the game in a new and unique manner.
The best cure for cabin fever and an inclination to post negatively is to go out and find a few caches.:)
I am a proponent of the opinion that a find is between the cacher and the cache owner. But I also think all or nearly all of us have opinions of what is in the spirit of the game. I would never log as a team, but Lee often does sign for me, though I am always there and have touched the cache at minimal. Sometimes I do the signing for both of us, but my writing is barely legible.
I do believe as humans we often continually slack off in life, and I can see where logging caches without opening them and possibly not even stopping for them becoming more commonplace in the future. And this will happen even quicker if we don't support some sort of 'typical' caching techniques. And no, I don't know what typical is, I only have my personal idea of what I think it is.
Wow.... a lot of naysayers here! I'd hate to have to sign a log of a cache put out by Brdad or WhereRWe.... they may bring in the FBI to do handwriting sample comparison to prove if it was really me who signed the log!
By the way, they have some photos on logs that prove they were there. And if you REALLY want me to, I'll go out and do a random check of physical cache logs to see if they all signed the log.
I really don't want to, but if we are all going to criticize them for ho they chose to have fun caching, I need to check the logs to support them.
I want to see the picture of the guy in the astronaut outfit finding a cache. I'm also a little surprised that Kennebunk PD didn't stop them. Maybe they deftly avoided them?
As I said, it's your cache, you are in charge of validating the logs. It's even in the gc.com guidelines, it is not some standard created by myself, Bruce, or any other so-called naysayers:Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
Now, as rcwhit suggested not many cachers validate each and every find. I don't either. If someone logged one of my caches as a group, I probably would not delete the log, at least not before doing a little research and felt that all the people logging were really present. Some "teams" split up and each cacher logs for the entire team with none of them actually visiting all the caches. This is poor form IMO. If someone just posted "I was at 0 feet and there was no cache so I am logging a find anyway", then I would delete that log after sending an email to the logger. If someone brought my cache to an event for everyone to log (which has been done), I would most likely delete those too.Quote:
The responsibility of your listing includes quality control of posts to the cache page. Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off topic, or not within the stated requirements.
Your hide is yours to determine what is and is not a find. If it's ok with you, let people just drive by and claim it as a find. However, I am still free to express that allowing that is, in my opinion, not a great way to portray geocaching.
I have been known to check actual log entries...Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
The integrity of some cachers has been discussed here in the past.
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I agree 100% with all of the above. If I find people doing that to my caches, I WILL delete the log. It happened once, I emailed the cacher and suggested he delete his find. He didn't. I DID! The pissed off factor was rather high when I finally heard from him. And then, thankfully, he just stopped caching.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
I'm not hearing about a lot of "cheating" or the type of bad caching described in this thread. I think that the newbies and the "lurkers" reading these discussions should be able to come away from here with a good idea about what is and what is not ethical caching. Our discussion about the type of caches and cache series is a philosophical issue and try as we may, we're not going to presuade or dissuade folks from their strongly held opinions on that issue. Like brdad says, as long as the discussion is civil, and it is most of the time, then it doesn't hurt the game or this site.
But bogus logging when you haven't found the cache, that's just wrong and we owe it to each other discourage what I call "cheating." Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't the problem is widespread.
Would certainly agree with you. I have my own opinions, happy to share when someone is interested in hearing them, but overall, I feel no need to beat this dead horse. That said, no matter your style or preferences, in the end one should be a responsible cacher and cache owner. Now....should we continue the discussion of what constitutes "responsible"? :rolleyes::D
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Originally Posted by dubord207
I don't think it is locally, either, but I think the sport would slowly move toward that level if some effort was not taken to counter it. Again, I am not for making new rules, I am for promoting practices that keep the game respected by cachers and non-cachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
PS: If either of the past two posters would like their quoted text fixed, give me the ok and I'll fix it.
Sheesh! Time for another tutorial! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
The tutorial is simple. When you only want to quote a portion of someone's post, make sure you don't cut out the [/QUOTE] at the end! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WhereRWe?
Pm28570's only mistake was quoting a poorly quoted post! ;)
Woops! Sorry about screwing up the quote box. Feel free to fix it. Hey, Dave, can you direct me to the tutorial you did on getting the site name on caches we publish? I added it to all my caches a while back and want to add it to the new caches I recently put out. Thanks!:)
I can understand signing with a team name in certain situations where time and prizes may be at stake...lol. When doing GeoRallye III, we signed the caches we found as our team name, Team #10, but logged each cache individually on the site with our own names. When doing as many as the SMR series though, each log was signed individually. When going up to Eagle Eye Stash, we had a decent size group but everyone signed the log individually. The Rallye type events, I can understand using a team name but if you have a large group of friends doing the SMR, whats the big deal with taking the time to write your own name? You're there for the experience, so experience what its like to sign your name 150 times...If you were by yourself you'd take the time to sign, why wouldn't you want to leave your mark just the same with friends?
If bogus logging of caches was widespread, I'd have 900,000 finds already. I don't think it is as widespread and as big of a problem as we think.
However I do think that the logging of caches as teams, especially two person teams is. When two people share a Geocaching user name and only one of those two finds a cache, but both get credit for finding them... does this allow the both members of the team to claim that they have made the find? It doesnt and SO.... I think that everyone should have their own count of finds they actually made. This should make any bragging about numbers at event caches much more reasonable for teams of cachers.
Am I being sarcastic? Yes. Am I going to go check logs? No. Do I think people have been bogusly logging my caches? No. And if they are, they are only cheating themselves.
Oh, and Dubord, I know how sneaky you are and as such don't believe you really found ANY of the Star Wars series this past weekend and am going to delete your logs :-)
What about kids caching with parents?
I make that mistake off and on myself, it's just unfortunate everyone can't correct their own anymore. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
The tutorial can "easily" be found in the new Article menu of the main page in the Web Site Help section, subheading Promoting GcMaine on Your Cache Page. Or, just click the link I just provided. :)
I think it's great more and more people are adding this to all their web pages.
If the kid(s) are caching under the parent's user name or family team in some cases, then there really is no problem. The only problem I would see then is if the kids were old enough to go find some alone in one place and the parents found some in another place, and each logged as the team. It's not really a big deal, personally I don't think it is in the spirit of the game and it is another example that you can't compare one cacher's numbers to another cacher's.Quote:
Originally Posted by cano
Many husbands and wives share the same account as well, but generally it is assumed that only one of the spouses finds all of the caches logged. My account originally indicated both myself and my son, though he very rarely goes now. But all of the finds claimed under the account have been visited by me. If he was to someday start caching on his own, I would not let him log under my account, I would have him create his own and I think most cache hiders would allow him to log the caches we could honestly say he visited with me. This happens quite often actually. Any that we were unsure of or the hider would not allow, he could revisit for the find.
I think it'd be a good idea for a lot of kids to have their own account and be responsible for logging their finds, reflecting on their find in their own words.
Lee and I cache as two separate cachers, and intend to keep it that way. She has her finds, and I have mine. We very rarely cache apart now, but we are still our own entity in that regard.
JustPJ66 (Pam) and I cache together. We have a rubber stamp to use on the log in the cache, one stamp both names. We will log our finds seperately on GC.com and if we were to cache alone, probably wouldn't use the rubber stamp. In those caches with log books large enough to invite a log as well as a signature, we'll play those by ear and use the stamp on some, physically sign others. One thing we won't be doing is logging caches we haven't been to. If I were to go alone, Pam wouldn't log my finds as hers and vice versa.
As I stated before, I don't think it is as much of an issue locally, but it may be more of a problem than you think and without education new cachers have no idea. It all depends on what you call "not in the spirit" or "cheating", and how much you think it degrades the game for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
There was an event just last weekend out of state. Only 40 people were allowed to attend because of allowed space at the campground. I counted 14 different accounts logged to the event, and between those there are 319 attended logs. Many logged multiple times for each temporary event cache. One newer cacher had 90 cache finds before the event and 152 finds after - 62 logs on one event! It's hard to call these people cheaters - they obviously consider this the norm, but it sure makes the rest of us cachers look like a bunch of idiots nor is it in the spirit of the game in my opinion.
I could give you a ton of links that are questionable about being in the spirit of the game, and another list of those that most would consider cheating to some degree. Very few locally. But give it time, it will come.
And for those that do cheat by creating bogus logs, I don't agree that they are only cheating themselves. Just like when a sports player or other public figure gets caught cheating it really degrades the sport or venue that person is involved in.
Thanks Dave, and I hope when I hit the button this post comes out correctly! What the heck were you doing up at 03:44?:)
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Originally Posted by brdad
I have problems shutting my mind off some nights, other nights I have problems shutting my plumbing off. Last night was a little of both! ;) I guess it was the combination of having time to ponder what to build next and drinking a few gallons of water/soda on the way back from NH yesterday. I'm also pondering presenting something to the caching community...Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
I thought I had this quote thing down pat......go ahead Dave, and thanks.
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Originally Posted by brdad
Oh no, not a formal request for geo-police?:eek: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
Not quite, but if I don't word it right it may come across that way. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by TRF