Are you trying to say something about LT's hygene?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereRWe?
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Are you trying to say something about LT's hygene?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereRWe?
Yeah, he'd never hide a STOP & grab Lame Micro!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by WhereRWe?
How very true . . . not to get off topic too much, but one of my pet peeves has always been folks with a bazillion finds and zero cache hides.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
I will admit after having put out several caches in the past few years I was a bit lax last year, but was motivated to go out and place three new caches not long ago (and I have plans for more) thanks in no small part to SMR, Dubord and Mapachi's Car Series . . .
I typically do the same . . . and as a cache hider if I fiind a cache of my own with two or more DNFs I typically will go out and check to see if the cache is there or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereRWe?
Brdad, you are entirely correct, the Star Wars series, just like The Stud Mill series and I am sure the Central Maine Power run are not meant to stand alone as individual caches. It is about the entire experience. I have told many cachers, including Kacky when I did the PodCache with her last winter, that I like to view these power runs as Stand Alone Caches of their own... meaning that the entire series is one big cache. Make any sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
As far as my other caches, the two I mentioned in the start of this thread are ones I would advise even you would enjoy. Just read the logs!
You make an excellent point . . . two excellent points in fact. And I agree . . . the series you mentioned are not really, truly designed to be stand alone caches -- quite frankly most of these would have bored me if I just went out and did a few at a time . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
And your second point to which I also agree . . . they really are about the experience . . . it's about dressing up as Star Wars characters with friends . . . it's about hanging out with folks you rarely see and bombing on down the Stud Mill Road . . . it's about remembering cars you and your friends have driven or owned . . . unlike some caching experiences, these series are different as it is experienced driven (and infinitely more fun with friends) vs. having the thrill of the hunt.
And to get back to the original thread.
I don't know if I could single out one cache . . . with only a few exceptions I like all of mine . . . and for many different reasons.
Some offer some great historical aspects (Before Lizzie Borden), some offer great views (I've Found My Thrill), some showcase a bit of my humor (Firefighterjake's Future Home), some offer a challenge to the searcher (Out Behind the School, Brier's Beach) and some are designed as very personal reminders (Out of the Ashes.)
This past year I had to archive a cache . . . the first time for me. It wasn't one of my most favorite caches, but I have to tell you I felt a bit sad to have to do so . . . then again, I kind of had to since it had been bulldozed and was 100 yards away from its original placement . . . under who knows how many tons of dirt, stumps and rocks.
No, I'm afraid I can't pick just one . . . and am glad we are not limited to putting out just a single cache every year.
That's exactly what I am getting at, I am glad to see we can agree on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
So here is another take on that. If these series as a whole are designed to be viewed as a stand alone, why not make it a 100 stage multi? It's original (well, it has been done but is uncommon worldwide). That one multi most likely will get a much better log, and it will most likely not be a serial log. The cache will be remembered as and referred to as a single cache. People who take the time to do the cache will do so for the challenge and less for the numbers.
My Battleship cache is a great example. Up to 26 stages, many of which would make lesser quality caches if they were individual caches. The final is in a decent but not spectacular spot, the hide is somewhat unique but forgettable for some if it was a stand alone cache. As a whole, however, I think the cache is more memorable because it is unique.
I know many people dislike multis, but shouldn't a cacher or group be able to have as much fun spending 8 hours on a 100 stage multi as they do 100 individual caches? Unless they are driven solely by the numbers, of course which some are though we don't really have any hard core ones locally.
Personally I'd rather find the 100 stage multi, especially if the final was at a nice spot with a decent size container. I know I'd write a better log! Maintenance would be a bit easier, too - only one cache page to disable/edit/get logs from!
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Originally Posted by firefighterjake
I am glad my Star Wars Series meant no motivation..... ;-)
Because only one person would ever do a 100 stage multi. That would be the FTF. Personally, I would never do a 100 stage Multi... heck I don't do all that many multis myself! The experience of doing this kind of series is also fun because you get over 100 finds for your find count on GC.com when you do it. No one would come out to spend an entire day doing 100 finds if it only counted as 1 on GC.com. And heck it would take up way too much prime cache hiding spots. At least with this series of mine, I can archive an individual cache to make room for someone else to place something if they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
I still havent seen the photos of you all dressed as Star Wars characters....Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
Hehheh . . . no disrespect was intended . . . the motivation came from the fact that a bunch of local cachers had put out a bunch of caches and it spurred me to put out some caches for them to find . . . figured it wasn't fair for them to put out a bunch of caches and not have others put out caches for them to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
As for inspiration . . . I tell ya . . . if you ever get to see the pics taken on the day we were down in your galaxy you would get a kick out of them -- there's nothing quite like seeing an overweight, bespectacled and balding middle-age guy wandering around the woods in a bathrobe while carrying a florescent orage broomstick while all the time claiming that the force is strong with him. ;) :)
Again, gotta agree with Chadd on this one . . . I doubt as many folks would make the trek down to the SW caches or up to the SMR caches for a 100-stage multi . . . like it or not many folks don't particularly care for multi-stage caches . . . even when it's only two or three stages, much less 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
As an added potential negative . . . with that many stages all you need is to not find one cache and the whole day is kablooey since you can't progress to the next stage . . . not to mention how challenging it would be to maintain that many stages.
GC13X0D RFD Cache, One of the best I have found yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
See, I don't think that is true. Some people would not do it, but there are some choosing not to do these series, either. When I placed Battleship, I feared no one would look for it either. I even got a few emails asking what the &%$@#&% was I thinking. But as they say, hide it and they will come. And they have. Maybe only 93, but those 93 have visited as many as 2418 locations to log those 93 finds.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
Now I will admit, 100 stages is a lot, but four 25 stage multis would attract many I think. It would not attract cachers from afar to run up, find the caches and leave town for the numbers. but it would attract plenty of cachers I am sure. The Bangor area has several extensive multis which have several finds and good logs.
You definitely would not get as many found logs on a large multi than you would individual caches. But you would know then they came for the cache and not just to get a smiley.
After reading the description.... was this, or was this not designed for Lexmano especially?Quote:
Originally Posted by lexmano
I'd like to know who is choosing NOT to come do these power run series? Well, aside from Brdad....Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
Have people come from other countries to do Battleship specifically? Or how about from 10-12 hours away, just to do yours? I get a few emails a week from people as far away as D.C. and Ohio who are planning to come to Maine to do the power runs and have questions about both my series and SMR. And they actually do come.... and you should read their logs...
As far as it being about the numbers...? Yup, it is and anyone who claims it isn't is full of crap. If it isn't about the numbers then why do we log our cache finds, and why does Geocaching.com post our numbers for all to see?
An estimated 3-4 million cachers worldwide. Subtract how many cachers found your caches last week and that's how many avoided your caches last week. :p:p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
I have had a few come from afar to do my caches, but I think they came to meet me as well (Check the 8/24/03 log by Planet from CT). A few others were vacationing here and when I mentioned a few of my caches, they made a point to try and get one or two. I will say six other cachers that I am aware of liked my Battleship idea and asked permission to place clones of it, two in Canada and one in the UK. Battleship Clones Bookmark List. I think that says something, as do the logs on those caches.
I am agreeing with you, of course the possibility of getting 100 finds is going to attract more cachers than one multi. But the number of finds does not describe a cache. More people drink beer than Moxie, but that doesn't mean Moxie isn't better, because it is! :D
The only reason the numbers are posted on our gc.com pages is that there is no other option (short of not logging online, which many more than we think do). Check the national forums, there have been several attempts by cachers asking gc.com for the ability to hide their numbers and finds from the public's view. I know of a few cachers out west - where the numbers game was killing their fun - who edited their 2000+ found logs and changed them all to notes. If I was to start over, I would only log a smiley on the caches I would recommend to someone else. And I am too anal to change mid-stream, and too lazy to go back and edit! Maybe there should be 'found it' logs as well as 'found it and loved it' logs!
I do like MY numbers. Not the acquisition of numbers, and not the amount of numbers, but I do like to know how many I have done and where I have been. I love to look at my statistics and see what percentages I have and how many miles I have traveled and what elevations I have finds at. But I don't care if you have 100 or 10,000, and I don't care to have mine compared to yours. and before I get the question why do I have stats listed on my profile, it is because I help people off and on with that macro and placed it as a test. You can also note sometimes the numbers are skewed. :p
By the way, it's good to see a discussion go on where the people will most likely never agree, but no one has to get wound up about it. ;)
WhereRWe? and RULost2? :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
JAKE!! What happened during the Star Wars Series was supposed to STAY there....SHeesh!! :rolleyes:;):cool::D
Dave, Sorry.. I too am with Chadd on the 100 stage multi. I wouldn't do it. Not that it's about the number. OK it is about the numbers.:rolleyes:
Chadd, SW like the SMR have their place in the caching world of 2010. I did them and I would do it again if I had it to do over again. You and Mike as well as the four who placed the car series put a lot of effort into them.
Whether I place 100 caches all over the state on in a line. I don't see a whole lot of difference. I know when the puppies came out a few years back there were some cachers who said they wouldn't do them. I asked why and the answer was " Well because they aren't a challenge". OK so you're saying you don't do ANY guardrails then. "Well no". I see... It still comes down to play the game your own way. Filter out what you don't care to do and find the rest. There are 5900+ caches in Maine as of this morning. I'm sure we can satisfy most everyone with something they like.
OK Done Now...;)
I may just have to hide a 100 stage multi now just to see who will do it!
As I said before, 100 stages is a lot. There are several multis with 40 or so stages. I remember Monster Nightmare being a bit of a disappointment, there was just way too much driving and back and forth. There is a limit for everyone.
Thanks Lex . . . you made my day!Quote:
Originally Posted by lexmano
You'll have to see if Hiram Solo will release the photos . . . he still hasn't shown me the photos of the day either even though I've attempted to use my Jedi powers on him . . . apparently his mind is not as weak as I thought. ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
I'm not sure . . . what does Lexmano do for a career?Quote:
Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography
Dave I tend to agree with you on many points . . . but I would respectfully submit that there is a difference between your Battleship Cache series and doing a 100 or even 25-stage multi.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
With the Battleship Cache series you take us to places where we answer questions . . . for the most part the information we find at these places will not be muggled or easily changed unless they replace the plaque, knock down a building, etc. vs. a multi-stage where there is a much greater chance of having a stage muggled.
The other issue is as I mentioned earlier . . . if you're doing your Battleship cache series it is not necessary to find each and every stage to complete this puzzle (although it may be fun to do so) vs. a multi-stage cache series where if one cache is MIA or cannot be found that's the end of the caching for that series.
Sorry Obi Wan Maniac-obi . . . lured to the dark side of the force I was -- strong is the dark side. ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainiac1957
P.S. I still have your light saber if you ever need it.
I think this illustrates a point being made Dave . . . folks reach a point where it is too much . . . I know I started this and stopped . . . and other cachers were telling me to simply skip it . . . to the point where they gave me rough directions as to where to look for the final cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
There has to be a suitable "reward" and when it comes to doing the 100+ power runs, like it or not, the reward for some folks is getting a whole bunch of Smileys . . . at least that may be the initial motivation . . . doing it with other cachers and having a fun day is what makes the experience memorable.
I don't believe you would be able to get as many folks motivated to do a 100-stage multi as the initial reward just wouldn't be there . . . sure, it may be a fun experience to do it with a bunch of friends, but just convincing folks to start the cache series would be a challenge . . . and knowing that if just one single cache is DNFed would spell the end of finding the final cache (after having driven a long distance) would most certainly lead many folks to never start the cache.
That is true, I intentionally used virtual stages for Battleship because I didn't want a maintenance nightmare. There were other reasons which are no longer valid due to gc.com guidelines changes, but that is beside the point.
I think that is probably one of the major reasons both Lee and myself like the multis. We like the risk of not finding one of the stages; one find on a 10 stage multi is more adventuresome to us than 10 'guaranteed' finds. To each his own here, but I will still maintain the comparable multi will more often than not create more memories - But less smileys!
This whole multi discussion actually brings up another thought. If a person were only able to hide one a year, there might be more multis because a hider could have several hides that way; a loophole of sorts. But if all or most hid multis for that reason, people probably would lose interest. Variety is key.
Glad we are back to agreeing again, Brad! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainiac1957
I myself have various kinds of caches. I don't think any one type of hide personifies my cache hiding style. As I said, I look at my Star Wars series, Mikes SMR and the new run in Central Maine as giant 100+ stage event-multis! Only each cache counts as a seperate find... and when I say event, I say that because we get the most enjoyment out of doing them when we do them as a team, or a group of cachers and make an "event" out of it, just as you, Hiram, FirefighterJake and Connie did when you came down to my area for Star Wars, and just as Marcipanek, Jessyka59 and I did when we did SMR! Those series' really are not that fun if you aren't doing them as a group...
High powered, Joe Borenstien type attorney.... so I'll probably get sued for my comment ( nah, him and I are friends so probably not...)Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
If the photos are not released by Noon on Friday May 28, I will be deleting all of your found logs for the Star Wars series... ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
When Iampaw, Martes, HockeyMom and I did "The Agonizer" last fall, we never did find the next to last stage but we still found the final.... we are smart like that ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
ahh not one with the force you are.... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
I didn't see this discussion yesterday. So here's my 2 cents worth.
First, lexmano is the antithesis of Joe Bornstein. If you see Ed on TV it will be about caching. By the way, Ed's done 46 of the 48 lower states which is no small achievement.
Two of my most favorite caches have to be Battleship and The Lair of Serious Tool. But now I will add Bruce's Micro in the Woods. Not everybody would ever agree but these are three different caches that reflect three different personalities. If you've done all of them then you'll understand my comment.
The power runs are not always about the numbers but can be. There are a lot of logs about the fun of being with fellow cachers for these "series" type caches. There's no denying that if you are about 60 caches from a major milestone, a day chasing these caches will get you where you need to be. I think it's disingenuous to deny feeling a level of satisfaction when you hit the bigger milestones and a milestone is a reflection of hitting a NUMBER so the count if undeniably part of the game.
And this thread now has more twists than any multi I've done!;)
The only issue I take here is a group should be able to have fun finding any cache(s). I was part of a large group that went and found 3 caches on Monhegan which was fun. Lee and I went with the pjprebs to Gulf Hagus and had a great time. And then there is the recent trip to Halfmile. I'm assuming if a bunch of us hopped in a bus and drove to Madawaska and found one cache which was the lamest GRC possible we'd still have a good time. A few times a bunch of us local cachers have met up at a local restaurant for dinner (no finds involved) and had a good time. It's not the series caches that create the fun, it is the cachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
And if 1000 means more to a given cacher than 999 or 437 or 162 than that is fine for them. For me, every cache is a milestone of some sort, the major ones are the caches which challenge me - physically or mentally. When I get to the peak of a tough climb or locate a tricky hide and get that feeling of accomplishment - that's one of my major milestones. Sometimes they come one after the other, sometimes they take many finds. I'm often lousy with analogies, but let's compare it to Rick's trek. 2,178 miles. One person could easily claim each 100 miles is a milestone, another person may use individual mountain peaks, another may use the shelters as milestones. When I take a trip out of state I don't watch the odometer and speak out 100 miles! 200 miles! 300 miles! as we pass by, instead I note state lines.
The funny part is, beer hasn't been mentioned once!Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
oops!
Aw c'mon Hiram . . . you don't have to post a picture with you and your blaster or Connie with the trash can on her head as R2D2 even . . . just post one . . . it was fun doing the pictures . . . the world deserves to see them. ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiram357
Speaking of "favorite" things . . . hey Hiram . . . you know how we often stop for ice cream after a long weekend of camping and caching . . . here's an ice cream recipe just for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by brdad
http://www.ibabuzz.com/bottomsup/200...am-believe-it/
I'd be game for making that - I love to make ice cream and have a freeze (cept it's a hand crank one).Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjake
My Lexmano-Boreinstein crack was me being facietious. Nothing more nothing less. And I am sure that Ed knows it...Quote:
Originally Posted by dubord207
And Dan, thank you for your compliment on my Lair of Serious Tool cache :-)