Geo-Rallye III

The hiders met and reviewed the nature of the hides.

The Virtual/non-cache items will score 1 to 3 points each

The caches will score from 4 to 10

The cache scores were determined by evaluating the D/T ratings plus an assessment of how long it will take. For example a 1.5/2.0 cache which requires a one mile trail walk to reach it will be worth more than a similarly rated cache which is near parking.

The goal is to reward folks who take the time to do the more time consuming caches.

Is the scoring perfect? I am sure arguments can be advanced each way, but it is what it is and should be fun to work with.

The winner may not be the folks who found the most items, it will be the folks who earned the most points.

Update, we have 60 hides, over 20 Virtual/non-cache items, close to 30 teams. Great prizes. Should be a fun day.

Seems quite fair and reasonable.....for sure. If points are already figured out, that should be helpful in planning, due to time constraints.

Thanks Ed

One question I have had is about how the packet is going to be organized. Does it start at one end and end on another or are they all mixed? Not that it matters as we will all be in the same boat anyways.

Also, does each team get one packet or each member?

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Originally Posted by Team V3

One question I have had is about how the packet is going to be organized. Does it start at one end and end on another or are they all mixed? Not that it matters as we will all be in the same boat anyways.

Also, does each team get one packet or each member?

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Hey Skip,

There will be one packet of cache info per team. I am unaware that the caches have been sorted in any particular order. I believe they were numbered as they were received by Jim Horwich and that they will be given to you in numerical order.

Ed

Fair enough :) Anything is fair as long as all are on the same level :)

Hope this isn't a dumb question, but I haven't done a rally before so...I assume that all the caches will be published at or near 8:00 AM? So will we all run a PQ at DeLorme, load into GSAK and off we go? Are we going to get a map with the caches shown on them, topo 7.0?

This sounds like it's going to be a hoot!

I could be wrong but that's about par for me recently. Anyway I think they probably will be published but not before all the event participants will be given the coordinates along with the whole packet at the start of the event. That way the participants of the event will be given the 1st chance at a FTF. I doubt any non-participant will be able to have a chance at the FTF. I could be wrong though and I'm sure someone will pipe in and correct me on that. Sounds like a great time no matter how it is handled,just wish I were there to take part in it. HAVE FUN Y"ALL

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Originally Posted by Haffy

I could be wrong but that's about par for me recently. Anyway I think they probably will be published but not before all the event participants will be given the coordinates along with the whole packet at the start of the event. That way the participants of the event will be given the 1st chance at a FTF. I doubt any non-participant will be able to have a chance at the FTF. I could be wrong though and I'm sure someone will pipe in and correct me on that. Sounds like a great time no matter how it is handled,just wish I were there to take part in it. HAVE FUN Y"ALL

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You are correct Haffy!!! The caches are set to be published after 4PM Saturday.

Since not all folks have access to the same technologies, this is old fashioned paper caching. A large component of a teams strategy will be figuring out where to go first and trying to avoid false starts and duplicated efforts.

I think haste may make waste, this race may go to the tortoise who carefully plods along maximizing its results.

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Originally Posted by lexmano

Is the scoring perfect? I am sure arguments can be advanced each way, but it is what it is and should be fun to work with.

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I wish you knew a way to score them perfectly. I've pondered for over a year over D/T/Elevation/number of and types of words in logs/etc., to use in the stats. Too many variables to worry about being exact on that subject.

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Originally Posted by brdad

I wish you knew a way to score them perfectly. I've pondered for over a year over D/T/Elevation/number of and types of words in logs/etc., to use in the stats. Too many variables to worry about being exact on that subject.

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Since this is a timed event, we felt that the time needed on a cache is a major component of the scoring. Easy caches that take more time need more points and a formula based on D/T combinations just could not cut it in this context.

There are a couple P&G's with higher points due to being a puzzle or waypoint projection cache. Plus find a tough hide quick and you will be rewarded.

I don't agree with registration fee. Geo rallye should be free. Even if there are no prices for winners. I don't need any price when I win, having fun and knowing I'm the best is enough for me. If I wanted to gamble for money I would go to casino, I don't need to pay and drive all day 300 miles and hope I will win something of value at least of registration fee. Geo rallye should be fun, it's more fun when you remove this gambling element and have nothing to lose. I understand there are another expenses besides prices related to placing caches and organizing the event, but we all are placing caches, spending some money and putting effort to create original caches, sometimes we put a reward for FTF and we don't ask anybody for compensation.

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Originally Posted by cano

I don't agree with registration fee. Geo rallye should be free. Even if there are no prices for winners. I don't need any price when I win, having fun and knowing I'm the best is enough for me. If I wanted to gamble for money I would go to casino, I don't need to pay and drive all day 300 miles and hope I will win something of value at least of registration fee. Geo rallye should be fun, it's more fun when you remove this gambling element and have nothing to lose. I understand there are another expenses besides prices related to placing caches and organizing the event, but we all are placing caches, spending some money and putting effort to create original caches, sometimes we put a reward for FTF and we don't ask anybody for compensation.

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You must mean an additional fee(s) as I'm guessing that you pay geocaching.com $30.00 annually so you can have a reasonable chance at getting the "competitive" FTF. I've enjoyed chasing a few FTFs myself. :D

I do question how spending money (or not) correlates to something being considered fun or not. :D:D I've spent money both wisely and unwisely on things that I thought would be, or alluded to be, fun. A 10 spot seems pretty inexpensive considering things that I could do to entertain myself, (guys at work are trying to get me to pony up for a visit to the Dollhouse in or near Las Vegas.) :eek::eek::D

I have no problem paying a registration. Especially for something that everyone is going to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Team V3

I have no problem paying a registration. Especially for something that everyone is going to enjoy.

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Hmmm... I don't see "Donating Member" below your name... :D:D

Hehehe you got me there... In this thread I was talking about the rallye registration. However, I do plan on donating here when we can. Just like I don't mind being a premium member of geocaching.com :)

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Originally Posted by WhereRWe?

Hmmm... I don't see "Donating Member" below your name... :D:D

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You don't see it below mine, either! ;) Don't let the absence of the image below a name fool you.

I don't necessarily agree with the registration fee, either, but it's their function, and just like deciding to pay to do a cache at a state park or not, it's up to you to decide if it's worth it. I have on several occasions.

Even though I am extremely limited on funds for a while, I will cover the entry fee for the rallye for my friends. Cano come on down and you'll be taken care of. I will expect a hint or two on your mystery caches in return.

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Originally Posted by Ekidokai

Even though I am extremely limited on funds for a while, I will cover the entry fee for the rallye for my friends. Cano come on down and you'll be taken care of. I will expect a hint or two on your mystery caches in return.

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Hahaha, hints are not for sale. Thanks, but I'm not going to attend this event. I will rather place more puzzle caches around. This time absolutely no math will be involved :)

When the original registration fee was $20....I didn't hesitate. I was over-joyed when I heard the final figure of $10.

I've considered sponsoring/doing some events. While I may not know All that goes into it...I do know that you can't get everything donated. Therefore the money has to come from somewhere.

When things like apparel, cookbooks, discount cards etc. are offered to the community, there are always costs. It's great being able to take advantage of the offerings and know that proceeds will benefit the site, game or events. Seems like a win/win to me :)

There is Very little in life that's actually free. I'm just as frugal as the next guy ;) I think if someone can know in their heart that they give back monetarily or otherwise....that's a good goal. Things always go much better when you're asking "what can I give".....instead of "what am I getting".

For those that won't be attending the rallye, for what ever reason...you'll be missed. I'd have paid Much more for such an opportunity and such awesome memories.

Well said! I think BRDAD said it well too when he said that you decide if it is worth it to you. The reason I don't mind paying is because I realize that you could EASILY spend that much money going to lunch and a 2 hour movie. To spend that much on a whole day of fun activity is a great deal!

I think it's great that people think that we should be able to have such a huge event and offer it for Free to everyone. It just isn't practical....And nearly impossible. We all have great ideas on occassion.....and few of us have what it takes to put them into action.

Friends of mine used to complain about pitching in a few dollars here and there as a gift to help out the instructor. One day they were told some examples of just how much money goes into all the things they take for granted, by the instructor and private donations. I know my foot's big......therefore I'm often cautious in opening my mouth ;)

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Originally Posted by cano

Hahaha, hints are not for sale. Thanks, but I'm not going to attend this event. I will rather place more puzzle caches around. This time absolutely no math will be involved :)

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How the heck am I going to use Excel to solve your puzzle if there's no math involved????:p

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Originally Posted by Sudonim

How the heck am I going to use Excel to solve your puzzle if there's no math involved????:p

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You could solve my Sounds Easy To Me (GC1VFWZ) by brdad (3.5/3) in Excel, and without math. :D

OK, OK, don't kill me. I just said my opinion. I don't mind to pay $20 for the event. But it will look like gambling for me and I don't need that. If you say there is $20 fee and no prices, it would be fine with me. There would be no gambling since you can't win anything.

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How the heck am I going to use Excel to solve your puzzle if there's no math involved????:p

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There are also another programs like MS paint :rolleyes:

Cano...like yourself...I also am not big on gambling. I think I might have missed something along the way. I hadn't heard that there are any cash prizes involved. There are many donated prizes you can win....no different than many of the Free events we normally attend. I might be wrong.....and hope someone will correct me if that is the case. So therefore....you get a day of finding fun caches w/lots of great friends...and stand to win prizes that may equal the value of your entry fee. Simply stated...a fun day w/a great return on your monetary investment.

Just looking to understand and possibly clarify any possible misunderstandings.... mine or otherwise.

I don't think there are any cash prizes and nobody meant to get on you about your opinion Cano. :) I am a firm believer in people being entitled to opinions. :) Personally, I think the great thing about caching is you can chose your level of interest. Some people just may not want to pay a registration and that is their choice to make if they don't want to do an event due to monetary reasons.

And as has been done.....and offered....... if you don't have the money....doesn't mean that you can't/won't be included. That's what's great about making friends on here ;)

Just returned from GeoRally 3. What a great event! Kudos to Jim and Dave, Barry and all others who put a terrific effort into making this happen. For those of you who don't embrace this sort of thing, try it! We didn't set out to win any awards or break any records and in spite of the "damp" weather, we had a ball. These were all quality caches..we did only one GRC all day. Most were hikes on beautiful, albeit somewhat wet trails but that didn't slow us down at all. While it's billed as a "competition", for team "lock, stock and two barrels loaded" it was a great day to do a bunch of very well placed and thought out caches

The coffee and donuts start was great and not a problem for those of us who count calories because there was plenty of hiking to follow.

I'm not certain, but I'm guessing most if not all attendees got a prize, and these were all quality prizes.

So this event gets and A plus,, that's two in a row! Don't miss this one next time it happens!!!!!!!:)

Dan you said it well. The rally was a blast! I had a great time seeing friends and caching with friends! We did a puzzle cache that was a grc in the end but that was the only grc.All of the others were quality hikes and most were to scenic locales. Thanks to all that put in all of the hard work involved in this kind of activity and I can not wait to do it again!

The Rallye was a great time. Many thanks to Delorme for allowing us to use their facilities!!

All Rallye participants won door prizes and as Dan mentioned they were excellent. The PN40 went to MaineSleddah (Mike Morrisette) who was also on the winning rally team.

The Armed Omelet team finished third. Armed Omelet is a team made up of folks who work for DeLorme. Great showing for first time Rallye runners!

There was a tie for first place between a team made up of MaineSleddah and Hoamdezinahs and a team made up of Trick or Treat and Team Moxiepup. The tie breaker was the team which checked in first, Maine Sleddah and HD won as they returned 5 minutes earlier!!

A great time and a lot of fun. Again many thanks to all who helped make this the success it was!!

Thank you so much for the motivational opportunity to do caches which I may never have gotten...or atleast not for a while. The water caches were a blast. If the same rules are kept for those....my team will need to recruit atleast one more member in order to give the top teams additional friendly competition.

This was our first time officially running the rallye and we had a blast!! We helped at the first rallye so we didn't run it officially but we enjoyed finding a few caches unofficially. Today was a different story, we team up with Trick or Treat to become a Puppy Treat Power House Team. We did some water caches and caches ranging from easy to hard. We actually had to DNF a 1.5 cache :eek: but had a difficulty 4 hide in our hand within a minute of jumping out of the car. The hiders went all out to place some very different and interesting caches. for us to find along the way.
Thanks to all for making this a extremely fun day. I haven't laughed so much in a long time!:D

Next year 1st place maybe??? :D

I have to say the weather was the only unfortunate part about today. We had a great time searching to find as many virtuals as we could during the trip back from trails in Bowdinham. While it was wet and made some of our DNF's a little bit harder to take, we pushed on and had fun. Thanks again to everyone involved in the setup, recruitment of donations, and the competition for showing up.

The quality of the donated items given away as prizes to everyone involved just for participating was amazing as it wasn't just standard cache swag. I especially enjoyed viewing everyone elses photos during the slideshow to see how they attacked the virtuals. Everyone seemed to go a different route and I can't believe how many purple doors there are out there...lol.

I also must say that Team V3 had a great time at the rallye though at the end the little guy was ready to get home. The caches were fun, the prizes were generous and it was great to get to meet everyone. This was not just our first rallye but also our first event.

My first rally. It was quit the experience. Had the best people to cache with Team Rag-A-Muffin, so everything was perfect. The next rally will go much smoother as far as planning things out.

I somehow missed the appearance of Captain Chaos from the Cannon Ball Run.

We also had a wonderful time at our first rallye. Lots of fun caches plus the virtuals made driving between caches quite fun and interesting, why are there so many people stopping in front of my house taking pics of my mailbox, lawn ornaments, weathervane, etc.. ;) I just want to know if there are any official results from the rallye we can check out. I know who won and took second and third, but what about the rest of us? I would like to know how I placed in the whole sceme of things, considering I just started caching in January and it was my first rallye. Any help would be appreciated, thanks and happy caching!

any day now - just waiting for Barry to get back from his trip to geocoinfest and I'll post everything...thanks!

Sorry for the delay; it wasn't my biggest thing Saturday night when I got home :)

I tried to get the data from my other computer but was not able to talk my son through it so I gave up that route. Instead, I'll be able to do this when I return this Friday.