Newsletter Contents

What sections are most important to you?:confused:

I've been hearing that the events section should be longer and the hot topics section should be shorter.

Make your thoughts known! This will really help me out, so thank you!:cool:

Vote for the section you want to be emphasized, and you may also post a reply with what you really enjoy about the newsletter! Feel free to offer ideas too!:D

The As Is category is a vote for keeping the newsletter sections at their current form/length. Voting to emphasize a particular section will result in other section(s) being shortened, so please post a reply that indicates what sections you really enjoy to help me figure out what to keep and what to shorten/eliminate. :cool:

I like them all!!!!

Thank you to those who have voted thus far.

I am have a hard time fitting the newsletter on two pages. So to those who voted to keep it "as is" please indicate what about the "as is" you like so much.

Thank you very much :D

Don't forget about the poll going on here...

Also, I'm looking for material for September's feature stories...what about geocaching have you been thinking about, doing, or enjoying lately?

I really should have stressed how hard it is to stick with the "as is" category. I have been having to sacrifice many hot topics to keep it to 2, sometimes 2 1/2 pages...this coming newsletter I sacrificed one media story, and (luckily?) didn't have but one feature...next month, based on these results, I may try to keep hot topics and features but cut out more of the media stories or other stuff...so pipe up if that's not what you want!:p

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Originally Posted by Medawisla

Don't forget about the poll going on here...

Also, I'm looking for material for September's feature stories...what about geocaching have you been thinking about, doing, or enjoying lately?

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When I said that, I meant October's newsletter. Septembers is just about done, pending this poll, and it's October's I'm starting on...:o

I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed with this poll; more people cared what the name of the newsletter was going to be than do what the contents are...:(

Not understanding all this type of newsletter entails (I am the old - do it in Word or publisher, print it out and mail it), I may not have really unstood what I voted on. When my "newsletter" comes via email, I see no pages so I see not problem with pages.

I get sort of a "newsletter" from Geocaching.com and it is similar but just goes on until it is done. I see no problem with that email from GC.com. Steph - is that within the pages you talk about or is it longer?

Is there a reason you are limited to a certain number of "pages"? I thought it was my email in box that would be effected not GCM. Guess it just shows my limited knowledge of this technology.

What is important to me - highlights of local (Maine and just a tad outside or Mega) events, anything significant in the news (cache disappearances, bomb squad, etc.), great cache hides (ideas or some which have been found), working with the GC.com web site (forums, changes, etc.), changes to GCM or significant posts. There may be more but this should be a well rounded list.

Thanks Steph for all you do.

Steh I think you do an outstanding job with the newsletter and in my opinion just do what you are doing. The longer the better for me as I hate to miss anything that happens up in Maine and has anything to do with all my friends back home. I'll never tire of anything that is written no matter how long.

thanks for posting, hollora and haffy!

We had another poll at some point about the length of the newsletter, which is typed in word first. The current length in word is 2 page;, most months running onto 3, because I have a hard time cutting it down. You don't see pages so-to-speak, because it comes to you in email format, but in order to describe and get a take on the length, I tell you that it is currently 2 pages in length so you have an idea of how long it is or could be.

hollora, what you posted for content is great information/ideas; I hope others will post in response, too!

I'm glad you two enjoy reading the newsletter, however long.:cool:

I just don't see the issue with length?!? If you don't want to read it - like, hit delete when you are part way through. It comes as an email, so, what it the issue?

I usually glance through and read what I want. The format allows you to do that which is great!

Steph does a great job of highlighting what is going on - she is as good as the folks who do it for GC.com so we should all be thankful.

Unless there are computer/website issues of which I may not be aware - what to heck - let Steph post it = we will read it or delete it. I change my vote! Can I? Whatever Steph says = yeah, that's my vote!

The issue with length is due to making it easy to read and to entice those that don't visit often to come and participate.

Stef, I would assume some of those who are happy with it the way it is didn't comment or vote.

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Originally Posted by brdad

The issue with length is due to making it easy to read and to entice those that don't visit often to come and participate.

Stef, I would assume some of those who are happy with it the way it is didn't comment or vote.

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Yeah, ok - but I would presume most would read the first part = matter of set up...and the rest would be their choice. Regardless, of length - some won't read it to the end anyway.

I know with GC.com and I bet the same for you - you pick and choose what your read. I'm ok with however this one goes because I keep up on what matters to me anyway.

Like most organizations, this one is about the folks that choose to play this game/sport. Having "played" for less then a year, I find this site seems to be a forum for very few of the actual members. That's fine with me as there are serious cachers who seem less involved in this site as many, and there a lot of folks who contribute often to this site who seem less interested in the actual game itself. So why is that?

My thought is that is that unless you've been involved for a couple of years, then you're considered a "new comer" regardless of your enthusiasm or you're willingness to be involved. Personally, I don't really feel a part of this group. I have met a few at events I have attended, but milestones seem only important to the "inner" group. I have learned over the years that recognition of volunteers and players is the most important part of keeping an organization alive and viable. In this group, to me, and maybe only me, unless you "know" the principals involved on this site, you could log a thousand caches in a day and nobody would say diddly.

The point is if the organiation want to keep members, they need to feel involved and not looking much like a tourist visiting Maine once a year.
After 10 months, that's how Dianne and I feel, like tourists, out of staters, or people that don't belong.

We really enjoy geocaching and probably have a lot of energy we could contribute so my suggestion is that the newletter reaches out to us "newbies" and maybe makes brief mention to accomplishments of those who have come aboard in a big way. It's amazing how far an occasional "atta-boy" will go.

I'd spend a fair amount of the newletter about the activities of members,caching and non-caching. That would be of far more interest to Dianne and myself then the usual.

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Originally Posted by dubord207

Like most organizations, this one is about the folks that choose to play this game/sport. Having "played" for less then a year, I find this site seems to be a forum for very few of the actual members. That's fine with me as there are serious cachers who seem less involved in this site as many, and there a lot of folks who contribute often to this site who seem less interested in the actual game itself. So why is that?

My thought is that is that unless you've been involved for a couple of years, then you're considered a "new comer" regardless of your enthusiasm or you're willingness to be involved. Personally, I don't really feel a part of this group. I have met a few at events I have attended, but milestones seem only important to the "inner" group. I have learned over the years that recognition of volunteers and players is the most important part of keeping an organization alive and viable. In this group, to me, and maybe only me, unless you "know" the principals involved on this site, you could log a thousand caches in a day and nobody would say diddly.

The point is if the organiation want to keep members, they need to feel involved and not looking much like a tourist visiting Maine once a year.
After 10 months, that's how Dianne and I feel, like tourists, out of staters, or people that don't belong.

We really enjoy geocaching and probably have a lot of energy we could contribute so my suggestion is that the newletter reaches out to us "newbies" and maybe makes brief mention to accomplishments of those who have come aboard in a big way. It's amazing how far an occasional "atta-boy" will go.

I'd spend a fair amount of the newletter about the activities of members,caching and non-caching. That would be of far more interest to Dianne and myself then the usual.

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Sorry, Dan. A lot of this message didn't make any sense to me. From what I've seen, you've been welcomed at events, discussed favorably in this website's forums - including much space about your recent wedding - and received kudos within the last 2 weeks about YOUR 1,000 cache milestone.

What is your complaint?

You state: "That's fine with me as there are serious cachers who seem less involved in this site as many, and there a lot of folks who contribute often to this site who seem less interested in the actual game itself." Who are you talking about? Do you propose a quota? No messages posted unless you have logged XXX number of caches in the last month? Yeah. so far RULOST2? and I have ONLY logged 114 caches. We logged 441 caches in 2007, and 530 in 2006. Does this mean we are not as dedicated to geocaching as we were in 2006? I attended an event in New Jersey today. Wore my Geocaching Maine shirt. Passed out probably 30 of our signature Maine Geocacher Permits, which prominently mention geocachingmaine.org. Am I "less interested" in the "actual game"? (I'm not sure about right now, but for most of the time, I've posted more messages to this site than anyone...)

"serious cachers who seem less involved in this site as many" What does this mean? Yes - not every "serious" Maine geocacher likes to speak up in online forums. That's normal. I can think of quite a few Maine geocachers who don't post messages often, but who are as much a part of the "sport" - if not more - than anyone in Maine. How about Beach Comber? Noreasta? Ye Old Prospector? I'll bet you've never met any of them. They don't say much, but to the people who have been geocaching in Maine for more than "less than a year", they're icons of the "sport" in Maine.

To go back to your basic comment: maybe makes brief mention to accomplishments of those who have come aboard in a big way." I think you've been "mentioned" in this site "in a big way" already. What more do you want???

When it comes to recognizing milestones, usually those are posted by a friend who was with the person who was with the person when he made the milestone. Other times a cacher may post in his cache log that he made a milestone and someone notices. Other than that, it's hard to tell. So it is easy to be missed. In short, it's hard to know who is at one number unless you watch ever cacher's log.

Milestones mean less and less to me as the years have passed. I have to look up my own profile to see how many caches I have, where I used to keep track of them in my head. I don't care much how many caches I have, I just want to get out and enjoy the world. I don't care much how many caches you have, I just care that you have a good time caching - and if I have more posts on this site than I do cache finds, that is why. I talk to people at events, here, or in chat, and almost never have a clue if they have more or less than I do, nor would I judge you by that number. As much as I love playing with the stats for the caches we have here, that does not extend into the stats of the cachers.

dubord207, I thought you had melded into the community quite well and have offered your input and thoughts on several occasions which improves the site as a whole.

If you can think of a way to keep track of milestones of all Maine cachers, speak up and maybe we can make that happen.

Regarding the comment "I'd spend a fair amount of the newletter about the activities of members,caching and non-caching. That would be of far more interest to Dianne and myself then the usual.", What are you talking about there, member bios or caching articles or something else? Someone mentioned bios a while back, I cannot remember who, however...

WhereRWe?, my acquaintence with you leads me to believe that you are a really open guy, wanting to welcome and get to know the whole story, so I hope that's how Dubord recognizes your post: as wanting to learn more about him.

With that said, Dubord, I do hope the newsletter is inclusive and brings folks to this "inner circle". When you say, "I'd spend a fair amount of the newletter about the activities of members,caching and non-caching. That would be of far more interest to Dianne and myself then the usual", can you give me more: how might I add more about the activities of members? I have focused the feature stories on caching-themed issues. I do appologize for the ubiquitous use of the word "newbie" or "newo-geo". Honestly, it was meant to be inclusive and welcoming, on an understanding level, not as a way to segregate! But I like the thought, I hope others will pipe in, should the features include stories that are non-cache related? What would you like to read about?

I know for me, I became more interested in geocaching than initially when I started to discover that other geocachers had other interests that were similar to mine, such as hiking, kayaking, environmental issues, etc. Whether it's off-road sports, water adventures, hiking, technology, scrapbooking or other aspects of geocaching, geocachers are always getting together for other interests. Are these the types of activities you mean and would like to read about?

Let me try this again. Having attended a few events I have met some of you but really don't know that much about the background of the folks who play this game. We all share a love of this game, for sure, but my guess is that there are players among us who have very interesting life stories that to me that could be of interest to the group as a whole. This is a volunteer organization, although I'm still not sure exactly how it's organized, but to keep members, the members need to be involved at some level. There was some discussion a while back about money and that thread just petered out. I suggested some member "incentives" to raise funds but the topic just "went away." To me that topic was an important issue that perhaps a committee could review and then make recommendations

My point is that there probably are some resources among the membership that are being untapped. Maybe an occassional bio is the answer, not to recognize Geo-milestones, but to add some informational background to the cachers statistics. I don't have the time to attend all the events so some of you are just faces to me when in reality you're real people with real careers and lifestyles. The bio's in our individual listings offer little so my impressions are based largely on the logs, some which are very helpful, some which are funny, and a lot that are more or less personal chit chat between cachers.

So my suggestion is to look at our players and spend a little time each month with bio info. By way of example, gob-ler, our caching king here in Maine is not only a techo wizard but a minister, hunter and who knows what else, but certainly an interesting character to whom I think both new and existing members would enjoy learning more about.

Lastly, aside from the money issue I have seen little in the way of requests for help. Personally, I would like my recognition in anything I do to come from contributing "to the cause" not from any particular number. Maybe the legal structure of this organization could be reviewed, improved, whatever. I'm not the only attorney playing so if asked I could do this for the organization and THEN I would feel "involved."

Hope this clarifies where I'm coming from.:)

I for one have always tried to get the members involved in this site. The organizational structure is loose so that the members can contribute as they want.
As with many forums, there will be a high number who just read and never contribute to any conversations.

I would love to see more people contribute to the site, both in the forms of posting to these threads, and posting articles to the site. Also, if they thought up a project to help generate a few bucks for the site that is great too.

A perfect example is the coin. I for one have little interest in the coin itself, but I think it's a great form of promotion for our site. And I know we have members who love the coins. And yet, do a search to see who had to start a thread asking if we wanted a coin this year - you'll find it was me. And when the time came to find someone to ask for ideas, get people motivated, and handle a schedule to see it through, where are all the coin lovers? All it would take is just one interested cacher next time to work out a time frame and to organize the design and manufacture of a promotional product. The board and other forum members are always there to help work out any details if need be.

I agree, dubord. There are very diverse backgrounds and much talent in the membership here. If we could convince them to step up and write tutorials, caching stories, or other useful information or fun stuff, it would make the site that much better. But how do we convince the membership to contribute, or if nothing else, join in?

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Originally Posted by brdad

. . . But how do we convince the membership to contribute, or if nothing else, join in?

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We are the Geocaching Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

http://www.geocachingmaine.org/galle...a/507/Borg.jpg

As far as money, it seemed from the prior discussions that there is very little agreement. Before asking for money, I think the members would like to know that is needed, how much was spent the prior year, all the sort of things an organization does when it puts a budget together. I know that there are folks like Rick that put in a huge amount of time keeping this up and running. Are there things he needs? What does it cost to run this site at its present capacity? If money is not an issue then say so and we can move on to other more fun topics but I sensed some undertones about the money questions from the prior discussions. Somebody asked if the organization was a 501 (c) (3)? Unlikely, but again with lawyers and accountants playing this game, we can volunteer our skills in these areas to provide direction.

As far as topics, I would like the veterans to kick it up a notch and lay out some tutorials that new cachers can wrap their arms around. Like GSAK 101. When I finally got the help I needed to get this going (translated: when Dianne figured it out) my caching production increased immensely. While Clyde has an on line tutorial, I have found comments from Bruce, Dick, Jason, brdad and others to be far more helpful.

And to take us back to full circle, I still feel the members on this site do just an "ok" job of recognizing the accomplishments of other players. A couple of keystrokes from more of us and a person with whatever listed milestone will feel more like a part of this fine group and more likely to be an active participant. I hope this is taken in a positive light and not the ramblings of a gin-crazed lawyer!:):)

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Originally Posted by dubord207

My point is that there probably are some resources among the membership that are being untapped. Maybe an occassional bio is the answer, not to recognize Geo-milestones, but to add some informational background to the cachers statistics. I don't have the time to attend all the events so some of you are just faces to me when in reality you're real people with real careers and lifestyles. The bio's in our individual listings offer little so my impressions are based largely on the logs, some which are very helpful, some which are funny, and a lot that are more or less personal chit chat between cachers.

So my suggestion is to look at our players and spend a little time each month with bio info. By way of example, gob-ler, our caching king here in Maine is not only a techo wizard but a minister, hunter and who knows what else, but certainly an interesting character to whom I think both new and existing members would enjoy learning more about.

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Dubord, thanks a lot for clarifying! Isn't it funny how the way you type can be totally different than the way someone reads. I'd like to emphasize that our community is full of diverse cachers with backgrounds that could lend to our community in lots of great ways. I would love to help share these backgrounds for whatever comes of the sharing.

I agree it is great to feel involved, and I think there are many of us who feel involvement is better when it's organized or structured. Leaders can collaborate with others who have skills for a certain project. This makes more sense to me than having cachers with skills, other than leading, trying to lead the projects they're interested in. (Though I am also a firm believer that everyone can become a leader; we each have our own styles of leading, but we can all do it with practice.) And then there are many others of us who feel we should be as unstructured as possible to allow as much freedom as possible. There are some who think our community could be improved with more involvement, more structure, more outreach, but there are some who think we shouldn't fix what's not broken. I hope the discussion continues to comb out:
what freedoms do we really want? what about structure would stiffle those freedoms? how do we to implement improvements without stiffling freedoms? :confused:
and to find balance and increase commodary.

In the mean time, I love the idea of sharing our backgrounds through little bios in the Newsletter, or even better: creating a bios thread that would be contributed to monthly (or whenever) and then in the Newsletter I could introduce the latest post with the link to the thread. Would that capture your idea? What does everyone else think?:confused:

First off, if you decide to start publishing numbers, leave my name out. I could have more caches than 90% of you if I chose to. This Sunday, I did the 9/11 tribute at the top of Mt Washington. I could have done 25 guardrails instead. Numbers mean nothing to me and I don't want anyone judging me from them.

Something of interest to put in the newsletter would a little more description and experience of a cache site. I have seen in the forums someone mentioning they had quite a story about a cache but it always leads to it just being an inside joke among a couple members. Lately there has been mention about some mountain caches done while 4 wheeling or getting a cache that was archived and turning out to be not the cache. I would like to hear more. We did a cache just up the hill over the bridge from Wiscasset. It is a large meadow with mowed walking trails. There were wildflowers, butterflies, no other people around, and my dog could go lose. If someone has a place that is extra special, I would like to know so I could plan accordingly.

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Originally Posted by darterkitfox

Something of interest to put in the newsletter would a little more description and experience of a cache site. I have seen in the forums someone mentioning they had quite a story about a cache but it always leads to it just being an inside joke among a couple members. Lately there has been mention about some mountain caches done while 4 wheeling or getting a cache that was archived and turning out to be not the cache. I would like to hear more. We did a cache just up the hill over the bridge from Wiscasset. It is a large meadow with mowed walking trails. There were wildflowers, butterflies, no other people around, and my dog could go lose. If someone has a place that is extra special, I would like to know so I could plan accordingly.

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I like the idea of highlighting special cache locations! Hopefully I'll get that in a newsletter very soon.:)

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Originally Posted by Medawisla

I like the idea of highlighting special cache locations! Hopefully I'll get that in a newsletter very soon.:)

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Medawisla - what about that Fort Cache the day we all went to Vinalhaven - that was very cool ~ even though I had to huff and puff on the way back as it was more than the stated 1/3 mile, LOL. I would also be willing to write you up something about the cache on the far side of Vinalhaven.

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Originally Posted by hollora

Medawisla - what about that Fort Cache the day we all went to Vinalhaven - that was very cool ~ even though I had to huff and puff on the way back as it was more than the stated 1/3 mile, LOL. I would also be willing to write you up something about the cache on the far side of Vinalhaven.

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Awesome! I need all the material I can get.
DKF, feel free to PM me info or for my email if that's easier. :cool:

Darterkitfox - lead by example. That is one of the reasons the articles sections exists.

If you had a good cache experience, write an article about it, include some pictures and a link to the cache page. I'd love to see more of these stories.

I am not so much of a story writer, but I did enjoy posting the articles I have posted. I think they are informative and hopefully help. I'd probably make another one if I was given an idea what people needed help with.

I would rather see these stories posted as an article and then mentioned in the newsletter than to just have it in the newsletter. When the board worked out the details of the newsletter, we wanted to keep it as straightforward and unbiased as possible. If a story were posted only in the newsletter, someone may wonder why their cache hasn't been featured.

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Originally Posted by brdad

I would rather see these stories posted as an article and then mentioned in the newsletter than to just have it in the newsletter. When the board worked out the details of the newsletter, we wanted to keep it as straightforward and unbiased as possible. If a story were posted only in the newsletter, someone may wonder why their cache hasn't been featured.

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More importantly, by having the article, we can come back to it time and again, the newsletter is just a blimp that particular month and then gone (well it is in the newsletter thread, but com'on we all know we'd rather read the articles thread!):D:p

And we all need to remember all people do not feel comfortable writing.

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Originally Posted by brdad

I for one have always tried to get the members involved in this site. The organizational structure is loose so that the members can contribute as they want.
As with many forums, there will be a high number who just read and never contribute to any conversations.

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For the benefit of the newcomers, I'd like to comment that the subject of the organization of "GeocachingMaine' was beaten to death a couple of years ago after another group of geocachers formed "The Maine Geocaching Association". The majority of our members wanted no dues or formal organization. A group of the "old timers" met and hashed out a plan: an informal "Advisory Committee" to make crucial DECISIONS on website content, geocoin selection, etc. Their opinions would take not priority, but they would decide to end debate on a subject, tally the votes, and supervise the action, etc.

To reiterate what BRDAD has said, we are NOT a formal organization. We are a group of people with like interests. We have an Advisory Committee (Made up of myself, BRDAD, TAT, ATtroll and Sudonim) elected by the members (former Advisory Committee members were Beach Comber and Haffy, who dropped out for personal reasons). We are not "officers" of the organization. Some people have complained "What do you do". The proper answer is "What would you like us to do?".

Again, we have no dues and no financial organization. All costs for the website are born by Rick (ATtroll), with occasional pass-the-hat collections to help him out.

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Originally Posted by Medawisla

In the mean time, I love the idea of sharing our backgrounds through little bios in the Newsletter, or even better: creating a bios thread that would be contributed to monthly (or whenever) and then in the Newsletter I could introduce the latest post with the link to the thread. Would that capture your idea? What does everyone else think?:confused:

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Sorry, Medawookie. I don't like this idea. This site is for ALL geocachers. I don't want someone to feel left out because their bio will never be included because they're "not interesting".

I like mentioning milestones because everyone likes having a feeling of accomplishment. But there's no reason to keep mentioning the "big numbers" cachers over and over. Perhaps the Advisory Committee should encourage keeping milestone mentions to a minimum - perhaps at set milestones such as 100, 500, 1000 caches.

As for biographies - who decides who gets a mention in the newsletter/forums? What criteria do we use to decide? We have a LOT of interesting members. Someone would get left out or feelings hurt because they were not profiled.

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Originally Posted by dubord207

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So my suggestion is to look at our players and spend a little time each month with bio info. By way of example, gob-ler, our caching king here in Maine is not only a techo wizard but a minister, hunter and who knows what else, but certainly an interesting character to whom I think both new and existing members would enjoy learning more about.

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I mentioned something similar once before and it was resoundingly shot down.

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Originally Posted by dubord207

. . . I have found comments from Bruce, Dick, Jason, brdad and others to be far more helpful.

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Wow . . . I actually helped someone . . . and me . . . with a Magellan! ;):D

On the serious side . . . I am happy to write informative pieces (from my own unique Magellan viewpoint of course), but I need direction . . . I need to know what folks want written . . . what questions do they have.

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Originally Posted by Medawisla

Dubord, thanks a lot for clarifying! Isn't it funny how the way you type can be totally different than the way someone reads. . . .

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How very true . . . Hiram357 was not at all like I expected. ;):D

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Originally Posted by WhereRWe?

I like mentioning milestones because everyone likes having a feeling of accomplishment. But there's no reason to keep mentioning the "big numbers" cachers over and over. Perhaps the Advisory Committee should encourage keeping milestone mentions to a minimum - perhaps at set milestones such as 100, 500, 1000 caches.

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It seems to me that the milestone mentions have gone down over the last couple of years. It may be that a number that sounded huge in 2005 has had dozens of cachers pass it and it doesn't seem like a big deal anymore. (Although to the cacher that just achieved that goal, it may be a very big deal, or just another cool cache.)

Sudonim is correct, and add to that, a few years ago there were only so many other cachers to keep track of. Heck, I used to read every new log for every cache in the state, and it would only take me 5 minutes most days! Now I scan through the email titles of the caches on my watch and notify lists, maybe opening one or two of them and it takes me over 15 minutes.

And yet, it still takes me two hours to watch 60 minutes... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brdad

And yet, it still takes me two hours to watch 60 minutes... :rolleyes:

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Sheesh! That's because you don't have TIVO! I bet if you had one, you could watch it in an hour! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brdad

And yet, it still takes me two hours to watch 60 minutes... :rolleyes:

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Sheesh! That's because you don't have TIVO! I bet if you had one, you could skip all the commercials (which you are probably watching twice now), and get through it in an hour! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Eeeeek! Why are there two messages? I only posted once... :confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by WhereRWe?

Eeeeek! Why are there two messages? I only posted once... :confused::confused:

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Because it takes you two posts to get your point across? Oh wait, that's not right. You usually get your point across in the first sentence!

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Originally Posted by brdad

Because it takes you two posts to get your point across? Oh wait, that's not right. You usually get your point across in the first sentence!

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