Yeah Dad (number seven) this thread must sound really familiar to you. LOL. Do you have that emergency vet number posted on your kitchen wall for the next time were up? LOL....Yeah and your the one that makes fun of my disposable doggie poo poo bags. Next time Im clipping the carabina onto your pack. I hope you have gotten rid of all the porcupines in Abbot so that this never happens again. LOL.