I'm not forgetting manners, I'm suggesting not to get to worked up because a few other cachers may not have them, or minimally behave the way we'd like. I have no problem with suggesting and promoting better logs as much as I like to promote quality, memorable caches but I would not lose sleep over it. If a person is consistently writing short or non-existent logs even after one or two prompts, most likely they are not going to change and that's the way they choose to play.