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    Default Outrre-Frontiere

    OK .I will ask this question . doesn't it seem wrong that GC2D173 Outre-Frontiere who Geocaching.com list as " in Quebec, Canada " and can only be done from Quebec canada is listed as the most northern Geocache in the state of Maine? I am betting that if I or anyone tried to bushwack in to it from the US side of the border we would be picked up by the border patrol or the Mounties before we got anywhere near Ground Zero, In the US right?Anyone up to maybe getting interogated by the Border patrol for this one later in the year, for a find without leaving the state?

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    When viewd on the "larger map" you can zoom in until it shows the cache as being in Maine. All the logs are in French, however. Interesting.

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    This cache perplexes me as well. Enough so I want to go there and find it to see for myself! I have sent the owner email a while back but never gotten a reply.

    When I get my PQs for Maine, the caches are limited to those being listed in in Maine. When you publish a cache, the cache owner chooses the state. I don't know if the reviewer checks to see that the listed state looks correct or if we could be choosing Alaska or some other state and they would let it go (Got an answer, Tom?). Anyway, if the cache is real close to a border, a reviewer would likely have little reason to doubt the claim, and that's likely the case with Outre-Frontiere.

    Outside of my regular PQs I get for the Maine stats, I routinely get caches which are within the polygons I have for the borders of Maine but not listed in Maine. Outre-Frontiere is one of those. I don't know for sure if it's really in Maine or Canada, but every map I have used shows it as being in Maine. Even the description says he thinks it's in Maine. Regardless of whether you have to go through Canada to get there, if it's inside the Maine border personally I would consider it a Maine cache.

    I'd like to know more about this cache and if it truly is not in Maine, I will remove it from the stats permanently.

    Link for anyone wanting to check it out. Outre-Frontière (Traditional)(Regular) (GC2D173) by luigijambone, NB Mc****, dpTony, clouddancing, MrS (1.5/2)

    Last edited by brdad; 04-16-2012 at 07:23 AM.
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    funny how those two buildings appear to be on the maine side. I wonder if any property tax's are being collected by the state of maine. Maybe i need to stop here and just start working on a passport to go get this one.

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    From what I see, it's only a section of road in Canada you have to use to get there. According to Google maps, the border crossing is there but I don't see anything on the aerial.
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    This is what the English translation of the cache listing says..... I did it in Google Translate...... obviously, it is a bit off.... or is the CO speaking in a sort of code? Also the French that they speak in Quebec, especially rural Quebec is a very old world French. I have a friend who is from Aesbestos, PQ (Yes, where they mine the dreaded aesbestos insulation.... look at it on Google Maps, you'll see the giant pit mine in the center of town!) and she has the strong old world French accent and her French, as she reminds me is the REAL French, not what they speak in Paris....

    Translation:

    "According toour calculations,the cachewould beinthe United States.
    Againstusbya customs officialsaid thecarrierwashidingabroad.

    Thisis myfirst cache

    Enjoy the park
    AssisezonMarie-Maiismade ​​for that

    Happy hunting"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography View Post
    Have any of you considered posting a note on the cache listing (or contacting the CO.... I'd prefer a note because more would see it, and be able to answer) inquiring about how to access this cache?
    I sent an email with a few questions, more so about why it wasn't listed as in Maine if he thought it was in Maine, but got no reply. I didn't bother top post a note on the cache page as I didn't want to stir anything up, it's not that important. I'm guessing since the CO is in Canada he may not be the best authority to question about how to get there from the US. At least one log makes it sound like they were concerned they would have border issues getting to the cache from Canada.

    I translated as well and do not fully understand the "Against us by a customs official said the carrier was hiding abroad" part.

    I have no doubt if the cache is in Maine (as I am confident it is) that anyone can get there without going into Canada. It may take some bushwhacking and there appears to be a small stream to cross, and some woods and fields. One question is whether you could drive there without having issues with customs. The second question is whether it's worth the risk to bushwhack, since if someone saw you and reported it, you could get in a mess with customs without even crossing the border. We got stopped once and questioned for an hour after turning around 200 feet before crossing the border in Coburn Gore. It may not be right, but if they can corrupt your day for turning around 200 feet from the border, imagine what they might do for bushwhacking behind people's houses going toward the border...
    Last edited by brdad; 04-17-2012 at 06:42 AM.
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    Why not just drive up to the boarder crossing and follow the road and go find the cache? Many people cross the boarder everyday.

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    This geocaching "thing" . . . it's still just a game, right?
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