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    Quote Originally Posted by CARoperPhotography View Post
    An altercation? With law enforcement agents who are paid by my tax dollars, to protect our country from people crossing illegally into it. Considering I wouldn't be crossing the border, and I am already HERE legally as a citizen, they have no reason to detain me, and you are correct, there would be an altercation if they did.
    I have no problem with customs questioning anyone appearing to cross the border in an illegal/suspicious manner. Detaining that person without further proof of misconduct would be a different story. If someone appears to be trying to enter into our border from Canada I'd hope they would be questioned on the Canadian side as well.

    So for me at this particular cache, I'd rather approach from the road and go through customs if needed rather than take the chance of having to forced to discuss it in the middle of the woods. Feel free to approach it the way you desire.
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    Sadly enough, it goes to show you how pathetic our border patrol are if they can detect some Canadian cacher crossing the border to place this thing on OUR soil and countless Canadians going across that little bridge to find it either. Yet, they'd have the audacity to stop and question me because I stayed on our side of the border? Thats the illustration I was hoping someone would point out...

    I'd really love to know why our border patrol allowed the Canucks to invade and conquer with a cache listed in Quebec, when it is really in the U.S.! ;-)

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    I thought of this too, but am assuming it is because the border 'gate' is not directly on the line. Also, someone walking across the bridge is less suspicious than if they had been swimming across with moss over their head for camo. I think they have to make that decision as it happens - it sure would be easier if there was a just a 30 foot electric fence (think big time bug zapper) on the border.

    Anyway, the border patrol is what it is, we can't change them in this forum but we can get the cache.
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    Yep, I'm done trying to argue with you Chadd. You're always right, no matter what. Buh bye.

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    sorry I did not mean to kick this hornets nest before going away for the weekend. It might be worth while to go back and read the article chad linked at the beginning of this thread. (1) that guy , while a canadian, spent time in jail for buying gas at a US gas station with out driving past it to check in at the US Customs station so even though he was in the US he was on the CANADIAN SIDE of the customs station. (2) and It seemed that A couple of NEW agents to the area changed the way things had been done in the past. (Those were the ones I was talking about being jerks) The article said the town aclually stopped picking up US citizens trash and snowplowing their streets, so things changed at that point. if the maps show going through the US Border patrol stationI think I will get a passport just to be on the safe side and not waste a 500 mile trip to be turned around at the border. And Kev, I know a much as most the reason for the ramp up at the borders, I was on board the USS DETROIT in newyork Harbor, tied up on the Jersey side of the bay on 9-11, Then 3 weeks later had to spend 2 months in DC waiting to retire while the ship left on deployment durring all of the ANthrax scare in the capitol area. Tower 2 was seen coming down with out the aid of a TV.

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    Lets keep any discussion of border patrol out of this thread unless it has to do directly with this cache. If you go do the cache and and had a positive or negative experience, feel free to report it.
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    What is the process if any to get Groundspeak to correct the listing so it says that it is in Maine, and not Quebec? Send Groundspeak an email? Any ideas? Can it be done? Any ideas TAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfacewarrior View Post
    sorry I did not mean to kick this hornets nest before going away for the weekend. It might be worth while to go back and read the article chad linked at the beginning of this thread. (1) that guy , while a canadian, spent time in jail for buying gas at a US gas station with out driving past it to check in at the US Customs station so even though he was in the US he was on the CANADIAN SIDE of the customs station. (2) and It seemed that A couple of NEW agents to the area changed the way things had been done in the past. (Those were the ones I was talking about being jerks) The article said the town aclually stopped picking up US citizens trash and snowplowing their streets, so things changed at that point. if the maps show going through the US Border patrol stationI think I will get a passport just to be on the safe side and not waste a 500 mile trip to be turned around at the border. And Kev, I know a much as most the reason for the ramp up at the borders, I was on board the USS DETROIT in newyork Harbor, tied up on the Jersey side of the bay on 9-11, Then 3 weeks later had to spend 2 months in DC waiting to retire while the ship left on deployment durring all of the ANthrax scare in the capitol area. Tower 2 was seen coming down with out the aid of a TV.
    Re-read that article. Go back and RE-READ the article involving the border incident at Estcourt Station in 2002. You are incorrect. The man was not arrested and jailed for not checking at the border control station. What happened, is that the station is only open 8 hours a day. During the rest of that time period, people come and go as they wish on a semi-honor system. What happened was the man was at the town’s gas station which is on the U.S side of the border, and a border patrol agent happened to be there as well, filling up his truck or something. He saw a blaze orange hunting vest in the mans truck, which caught his eye, which then spotted a shot gun in the truck. The man was arrested for two things, for crossing the border with a firearm, a big no-no (DON’T even get me into 2nd Amendment Rights please...) AND because the man was a prior felon from some youthful indiscretion (as a politician would phrase their crimes from years before) he was also not allowed to come into the U.S. without being approved by immigration ahead of time. This man crossed the border several times a week this same way.
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    Dave, the Border Patrol has everything to do with this cache if anyone is planning on bushwhacking to the cache. They have stated that anyone seen approaching the border in this manner will be stopped. The discussion, IMHO, requires information about the Border Patrol be included. As an additional tidbit for consideration, spread out over several posts it is beginning to seem like the cache may actually be on the US side but not into the US with relation to where one passes through a gate or the Border Patrol checkpoint. If that is the case, it may very well be that it is only accessible if you have a passport or, as surfacewarrior mentioned in a previous post, your birth certificate. This is beginning to smell like one of those proverbial grey areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustKev View Post
    Dave, the Border Patrol has everything to do with this cache if anyone is planning on bushwhacking to the cache. They have stated that anyone seen approaching the border in this manner will be stopped. The discussion, IMHO, requires information about the Border Patrol be included. As an additional tidbit for consideration, spread out over several posts it is beginning to seem like the cache may actually be on the US side but not into the US with relation to where one passes through a gate or the Border Patrol checkpoint. If that is the case, it may very well be that it is only accessible if you have a passport or, as surfacewarrior mentioned in a previous post, your birth certificate. This is beginning to smell like one of those proverbial grey areas.
    Very good point Kev. I have to agree with you on this one, that discussion of the BP is important. I am a bit perplexed by the birth certificate issue (yes, and by Obama's birth certificate issue as well) because in all the research I have done, a birth certificate is not enough to get you back into the US. I don't know why the restrictions would be different in this particular spot. I wish the BP in Northern Maine could be trusted but I hate to take them at their word and then find out that they are wrong. As always in law enforcement, it always comes down to how good or how bad of a day that particular agent you are dealing with, is having ha ha
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