Hope this isn't to long Haffy - it is probably appropriate to revisit. This cache is certainly NOT (yes I was yelling) one I want visitors to Maine to remember us by with what they might/may view. It is NOT where I want my friends to visit. The cache container itself was ok - the little trail ok too. It is not that which was not in good taste. It was the general overall area and activity!

The issues lie with the terrain and debris which appears to be a playground for ( ). I will let those who have viewed it fill in the blanks. Haffy asked what could we have done differently - I am not sure much aside from sponsoring (with the blessing of DOT) a huge, like Major, CITO event at that rest area. That could not have cleaned up the initial issues (cars in the lot all the time - certainly not picnicers or travelors or the "crusiin") but it would have cleaned up the very offensive eye sore of the "chair", et al.

Am not even sure a CITO would have resolved the issue that this was not a kid friendly or perhaps even all round cacher friendly area. Last Sunday, when I went by at nearly 4PM there were 8 empty cars in that area. What were they doing? Certainly not picnicing, as there were no people at tables or bbqs!

What could we have done different - I believe nothing! Should we have done anything? Yes, I believe every Geocacher is under an obligation to express their honest feelings about the safetly and description of a cache. We all view things through different eyes, have different skills and proficiencies = therefore, to keep one another safe we need to share honestly.

Just my opinion but for one I am glad that Fitz is gone unless we were as a large group going to work hard to save one cache probably inappropriately placed anyway. We would have had to engage DOT, State Reps, do major CITO (which would have been a long term problem), perhaps address enforcement with Law Enforcement and get lots of other support.

Let's remember - this rest area is within the geographic confines of Ellsworth Town lines. Someone made the decision to have the one on Rt. 1A (Bar Harbor Rd) closed - for the same types of activity Fitz is not appropriate - hello, why hasn't this one been closed? Anyone who is a "local" knows this location's reputation.

Best we just let it go! Protect our own and families - report honestly!